Comic 959 - Polite

14th Jun 2017, 11:04 AM in Ch. 33 - The Calm
Average Rating: 5 (7 votes)
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Author Notes:

Jocelyn 14th Jun 2017, 11:04 AM edit delete
Even when I jump around to a lot of different scenes, most chapters lately seem to always begin and end with Rain (I mean, she is kinda the main character). Almost happened here too, but I just felt like poor Fara hasn't had much screentime lately and I was missing seeing her and Vincent together. So, we open the chapter with these two meeting for a date.

For the record, I don't even know if they're official. I don't know if or when I should spell it out. Being adults, I feel like their coupling should probably be handled differently from most of the other characters. But whatever. I figure I'll just leave it up to your imagination for now.

Also, Seventy-Seven is a play on Ninety-Nine, by the way, one of my favorite restaurants (which I sadly haven't been too in a long time).

Finally, because I caught hell for it last time, I'll say upfront that Vincent will not be divulging any sensitive information today. So, I would appreciate being spared the lectures about that this time. Thank you.

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Reimi 14th Jun 2017, 11:21 AM edit delete reply
Nice to see these two again, been a while!
Riley_05 14th Jun 2017, 12:05 PM edit delete reply
Is Vincent wearing one of his old band's shirts? Also come to think of it doesn't Gavin have a shirt from 'toaster on fire' too? That's kinda weird. Awesome, but weird.
Jocelyn 14th Jun 2017, 12:15 PM edit delete reply

Vincent probably has like twenty of that same shirt just lying around somewhere at his place. It's just what happens. XD

As for Gavin... wait, does he? I don't remember that. I don't suppose you recall when that was?
Riley_05 14th Jun 2017, 12:21 PM edit delete reply
I don't recall ever seeing him actually WEAR it, but I think it's on gavin's wardrobe page which you did sometime in chapter 13
Emil 14th Jun 2017, 12:35 PM edit delete reply

there it is ;)
Jocelyn 14th Jun 2017, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
Ah, I see. That's okay then. At least it's not a canon appearance or something. XD
RubyRuthNeal 14th Jun 2017, 1:03 PM edit delete reply
There's you another product idea to make and sell Jocelyn.

Toaster on Fire t-shirts. Make it simple just like the one Vincent is wearing. No words on it at all, just the burning toaster.

I'll buy one. Or two, or three.
Jocelyn 14th Jun 2017, 1:06 PM edit delete reply

Those exist, actually. ;)
RubyRuthNeal 14th Jun 2017, 3:49 PM edit delete reply

Ordered one just now!
mecaterpillar 14th Jun 2017, 1:19 PM edit delete reply
I have one of those. I'm not sure how long they've been available, but I've had it and a Black Wings Kaminari shirt for some time now.
Fox 14th Jun 2017, 1:45 PM edit delete reply
I really like these two, they're good together. Also, on a personal note, I got my letter to start testosterone 😆. Now I just have to find a doc willing to prescribe it.
Kelabeth 6th Jul 2017, 9:50 PM edit delete reply
Congrats on your T letter. Can you get to a Planned Parenthood where you are? They are fantastic for trans care, they work on informed consent (you don't need a letter.)
mecaterpillar 14th Jun 2017, 3:07 PM edit delete reply
I'm guessing that Vincent is going to say that he's not at liberty to say. But maybe we'll get a flashback just for the sake of letting us, the audience, know what.
Jacy Em 14th Jun 2017, 3:13 PM edit delete reply
So... I've got an appointment with a psychologist that works with trans individuals tomorrow morning, and I could get a letter for hormones then, as well. Both nervous and excited.
Fox 14th Jun 2017, 3:56 PM edit delete reply
Good for you. Congrats.
Guest 14th Jun 2017, 8:50 PM edit delete reply
Dude wore his own band shrit
EpicSD 15th Jun 2017, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
I wanna get the lesbi-ish shirt. CX
Guest 15th Jun 2017, 12:28 PM edit delete reply

I thought this got worked out the last time around. That you did nothing wrong by having Vincent tell what he did. That he didn't cross the line. The naysayers were wrong. Fara might not be privvy to everything but she is already in on a great deal of it and is close family. Go ahead and have Vincent say what you want him to say. Forget the naysayers. I'm sure you'll know where to draw the line.
Sol 15th Jun 2017, 9:50 PM edit delete reply
The Ethics Code for psychologists is clear, a psychologist cannot say anything about a session or a client to anyone other than the client or the client's legal guardian, including family members, without the client's consent. Unless it involves a crime about to be committed, in which case they must inform the relevant authorities.
The psychologist might be able to consult with their peers to get a second opinion, but then they generally keep any identifying info confidential.
If they break the Ethics Code, they could get brought before the Ethics Committee and potentially lose their license.

Incidentally, a psychologist should really not be getting involved in relationships with their client's family and friends, whether platonic or romantic, exactly for this reason. Although often this can't be helped in small towns, military bases or small communities such as the LGBTQ+ community.
For more information on the American version of the Ethics Code see this link:
DocMesa 15th Jun 2017, 5:58 PM edit delete reply
Kinda hoping Vincent says that he can't comment. If I were in Kellan's position, I'd want to believe the therapist I was working through extremely awkward things with wouldn't say or even hint anything to another family member.
Guest 16th Jun 2017, 1:32 AM edit delete reply

And the author already knows this. We've already been over this. There was consent given last time around. For at least as much as what was covered.

Fara happens to be Rain's legal guardian this go round. Vincent may even be obligated to tell her things as involve her. And Rain pretty much doesn't hold back much from her anyways.
Neelix 16th Jun 2017, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
Except Fara isn't asking about Rain's session, she's asking about Kellen's. Fara is not Kellen's guardian, and so far there is no indication that Kellen has given permission to talk to Fara about it.

Guest 16th Jun 2017, 3:59 AM edit delete reply
I said as involved her (Rain).
Neelix 16th Jun 2017, 4:29 AM edit delete reply
Except Vincent already established in her last session that Kellen's real issue wasn't really about Rain.
The topic of Rain may very well not have come up. Even if it did though that doesn't give Rain (or Fara) a right to know about it.

About the only thing which would give Fara a right to know anything about Kellen's session is if Kellen requests her involvement. (Which may eventually happen if she decides she does want to gets to know her baby sis after all, but until then...)


Jocelyn's Pitbull 16th Jun 2017, 8:57 AM edit delete reply
As has already been clarified, Jocelyn understands the ethics and has already politely asked to not have a continuing conversation about it. Stop pissing off the author or she'll stop posting and then you'll never find out that Vincent doesn't violate the ethical code that you all can't refrain from blathering on about due to your obnoxious sense of righteous indignation. The horse is dead, you can't stop beating the poor creature now.

TLDR: STFU with ethics lectures of GTFO
Sol 16th Jun 2017, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
Oh sorry, my apologies, I don't really read the comments section much so had no idea that it was a sore issue. I was more responding to Guest's comment than anything that happened in the comic, and I'm in no way telling Jocelyn how to write her story.

I do often dislike it when people play fast and loose with psychological ethics in media, as that could make people more distrustful of therapy. And many people already distrust therapy.
That being said, I totally understand that it is often necessary to stretch the rules a little for the sake of the story. If the therapist character never interacts with the rest of the cast then it's a waste of the character after all, and all secrets must come out eventually. It's just a pet peeve of mine but I'd never get "righteously indignant" and demand that all therapists must act ethically.
Besides, as I said, seeing as Vincent is part of the LGBT community, it's unavoidable that he will be close with some of his clients' friends and family. A psychologist in his position in real life just needs to be careful. I hope that he won't tell Fara anything about his sessions with Kellen, as many others have said, but I'd never think to demand it.

Once again, sorry for the "ethics lecture". I posted the link as a good reference in case Jocelyn, Guest or others didn't know about it, as many writers seem not to, but obviously Jocelyn does and I was wrong for assuming otherwise.

TLDR: Sorry for the ethics lecture, didn't realise it was a sore subject, just tired of how therapy/therapists are portrayed in the media, trying to fight that bias. As a big fan, I totally support Jocelyn's writing choices, whatever they may be, and I'm sorry if I've hurt her.
Neelix 16th Jun 2017, 11:30 AM edit delete reply
My apologies also. FWIW none of my comments above were directed at Jocelyn, but at "guest" whose posts just happened to push the wrong buttons for me. I certainly have no concerns with this comic itself.
Sol 17th Jun 2017, 8:53 AM edit delete reply

Oh wow, I just read the entirety of Jocelyn's commentary for this comic, completely missed the part about the ethics the first time for some reason. Now I feel especially bad and about posting info about American pyschological ethics (albeit it was in response to someone else's post).

I just want to apologise again to Jocelyn especially. I didn't realise it at the time, but I did exactly what you said not to. I'll be more careful posting in the future.
Guest 16th Jun 2017, 7:17 PM edit delete reply
That would be about your faulty perceptions. Everybody already knew it was Kellen's session. Wherein she was given information about Rain's situation. But consent was already given or/and it was education on what she had already been informed of. There was no breach there. Of course Kellen can have her own problems as well. That's why I said as it involved Rain. But your tunnelvision wouldn't let you get the message. The author knows where to draw the line. Did very well on that score the first time. She'll do very well however she decides to approach it this time as well. There was no problem here. Until you two created one for no good call.
Neelix 17th Jun 2017, 2:31 AM edit delete reply
@Guest I have no problems with how Jocelyn is portraying this situation at all. My issues are with your statements.

What I've seen in the comic is that Rain gave Vincent pretty much carte blanche to discuss her situation with Kellen. However this permission does not go both ways. There has been nothing in the comic to indicate that Kellen has given Vincent permission to discuss her sessions with anyone, including Fara. Unless and until that happens the only person who I will accept any such assertions from is Jocelyn herself.
Guest 17th Jun 2017, 4:35 AM edit delete reply
Everybody already knows all that. We've been over it several times already. If you're seeing something in my statements that isn't there and failing to get the simple message, then that would be your tunnelvision again. It's you insisting on making a problem where there is none.
Sol 17th Jun 2017, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
If people keep misinterpreting your posts, maybe the problem isn't with them per se, maybe you need to be clearer? I don't think people generally go around deliberately misinterpreting people just to get into arguments, I least I hope not.
When I read your post, it seemed like you were saying Vincent would ethically be able to say anything he wants about Kellen's session, which is simply factually incorrect. And your subsequent posts weren't much clearer. I see now, with the added context, that this is not what you meant. It seems like we may have all just been talking past each other this entire conversation.
So I'm sorry for misinterpreting you, but with the information I had at the time, it did not seem so unreasonable.
We should move on from all this, but in the future I think we can all stand to be a bit more charitable in our interpretations, including myself.
Guest 17th Jun 2017, 8:11 PM edit delete reply
It was in the context of earlier discussion and so noted as such. You could have thought to look to where this was discussed the first time around rather than reacting without adequate context. Then again, there were enough indicators to show Vincent wasn't being given carte blanche to do just whateverTF he wanted. But once tunnelvision has set in it can foul your comprehension like that so as to miss the obvious and the key sentences.
Sol 18th Jun 2017, 8:36 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I'm not very experienced with this comment section format (or really any forums for that matter), so it was hard to know which of Jocelyn's posts you were replying to. I had read Jocelyn's commentary for this comic before I replied to you, but I missed the crucial detail at the end about ethics. If I hadn't missed that in my first read through, I'd have probably gotten more of the context of what you were saying and not have posted anything. I'll be more careful in the future.

P.S. As I said, I'm not very familiar with this format, but it might be easier to figure out the post you are replying to if you press the 'reply' button on the right-hand side of the post you want to reply to. Then should place your reply right below the post you are replying to and indent it, makes it way easier to follow a conversation.
Sol 18th Jun 2017, 8:47 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I'm not very experienced with this comment section format (or really any forums for that matter), so it was hard to know which of Jocelyn's posts you were replying to.
I had read Jocelyn's Author Notes for this comic before I replied to you though, but I missed the crucial detail at the end about ethics. If I hadn't missed that in my first read through or had known exactly which post you were trying to reply to, I'd have probably gotten more of the context of what you were saying and not have posted anything. Instead I thought you were just sending a general message to Jocelyn in response to some of the other people in the comments who were hoping Vincent wouldn't say anything about Kellen's session. It had seemed to me that you were saying that Vincent should be ethically able to say anything. Obviously I was wrong. I probably should have been more charitable and tried to figure out what exactly you were responding to before posting. I'll be more careful in the future.

P.S. As I said, I'm not very familiar with this format, but it might be easier to figure out which post you are replying to if you press the 'reply' button on the right-hand side of the post you want to reply to. Then should place your reply right below the post you are replying to and indent it. Makes it way easier to follow a conversation. Of course, it doesn't seem you can do that with the Author Notes, but you could have used that function when replying to Neelix's or my own posts.
Maybe that should be a function, a way to directly respond to the Author's Notes
Some Ed 20th Jun 2017, 5:59 PM edit delete reply
I'd like to suggest one additional thing. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears, but...

If you're going to post comments on possibly controversial topics, even if you know you're right - maybe even especially if you know you're right - let me recommend registering for an account and logging in, so that people who don't understand can take it offline, rather than bothering our wonderful host with all of this drama.

Hmm, looking at my own comicfury account... I think I need to steel myself to reading a bunch of crap, so I can have my average vote look a bit more reasonable. Sigh.
Guest 24th Jun 2017, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
Or instead of jumping to improper conclusions or putting words in my mouth, some persons could rather have just asked. As such persons were in such incomprehension. Seeing as the original comment was to the author and nobody else. I'm sure she knew who I was talking to and what it was about. Anybody else having a problem just comes off as being very surreal. When it becomes controversial to say hey it never happened, we know you'll never do that and trust you to do well, it seems so very odd.

"Advice" being so pedantic as to a specific button to push seems inappropriate as well. It was always clear whom I was talking to.

If there are any persons who have any real concern over placing drama upon one of the author's pages, the solution is clear : stop doing that.
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