Comic 902 - Hang Out

10th Jan 2017, 4:08 PM in Ch. 30: Little Victories
Hang Out
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)
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Jocelyn 10th Jan 2017, 4:08 PM edit delete
That moment when you overhear something that you're not quite sure how to process. And you want to ask, but you know that it would be very rude. So you just sit quietly, unwittingly making weird faces, as you try to figure out if you actually heard what it sounded like.

Happens to me alllll the time. And Ana too, it seems. XD

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Zii 10th Jan 2017, 4:26 PM edit delete reply
Aaaah, Ana, open up soon and be welcomed into the circle of good people who won't judge you ;-;
Kyla 10th Jan 2017, 4:48 PM edit delete reply
Gavin may be accepting but I think it would be difficult for him to date her knowing she's transgender.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 10th Jan 2017, 5:02 PM edit delete reply
I do kind of agree, but then again, she's already transitioned, remember? Also, he should be more comfortable now that he has a better understanding of trans people. There may be hardships, but I think they can make it work. Anyone else got opinions?
Lyn the Mysfortunate 10th Jan 2017, 8:32 PM edit delete reply
But remember, he still had a crush on Rain even after finding out. He had that whole talk with his dad and his dad's boyfriend about his feelings for her. He knew that one day she would transition, and that was enough for him. If Ana ever decides to tell him, I'm pretty sure the issue won't be that she's trans or that that could decrease his attraction to her, but rather that she waited to tell him. That was the biggest issue he had with Rain. However, I think at this point, even that may not be that big of a deal. Galvin's grown up a lot since then and I think he understands the weight coming out carries a bit better than he did at the begining of the comic. I think it may even bring the two closer together.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 10th Jan 2017, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
You make a good point. And OML DID I REALLY FORGET ABOUT GAVIN'S DAD AND HIS BOYFRIEND?! Ugghhh they are SOOOO CUTEE!! *dies of cuteness overload* Ok sorry I'm back. But yeah, I think Gavin will think nothing of it. He'll hopefully just be happy for Ana and happy he's with her.
Kelabeth 10th Jan 2017, 10:23 PM edit delete reply
Maybe i'm confused, but isn't Ana intersex, not trans?
JusticeZ 11th Jan 2017, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
Nobody really knows yet. The evidence so far just points to an MtF transition of some sort, but whether that is because she is binary trans like Rain or intersex is as of yet unrevealed. Heather is I, so it's not like there's a need to fill a quota.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 11th Jan 2017, 4:22 PM edit delete reply
Well actually, we do know. Remember this page? It tells you she's trans. Hope I helped :D
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 2:25 PM edit delete reply
So if we go with the definition of trans as a descriptor for someone whose gender identity doesn't match the gender they were assigned at birth, then that other page from the comic definitely points to Ana being trans (and she may still be intersex as well). On the other hand, there is a train of thought that being intersex excludes one from being trans. I've personally never bought into that train of thought, but it does exist. There seems to be another train of thought, I think, that for intersex people the word "trans" is treated as a label or identity rather than a descriptor and so they are trans only if they choose to label themselves as such. I'm not sure I've read this be fully articulated, so I may be getting it wrong or somewhat off, but that's my understanding of it. As such, it's possible under certain strains of thought, that someone who would otherwise be considered trans by definition may not be trans if they turn out to be intersex.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 12th Jan 2017, 4:27 PM edit delete reply
You do have a valid point, and I don't want to start a fight, but I still disagree. Intersex people are usually given a few years at birth to choose who they would like to identify as, seeing as they have both the parts of a male and female. If Ana was intersex, she would've just chosen to identify as a girl whenever she realized? Also, Ana's dad says "We realized we hadn't had a boy after all." This is crucial because it tells us that Ana was previously born with male genitals. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 5:03 PM edit delete reply
"Intersex people are usually given a few years at birth to choose who they would like to identify as, seeing as they have both the parts of a male and female."

This is very much in conflict with my understanding. It may be that I'm actually a lot more ignorant on this than I realized. As such, you may very well ignore everything I wrote before as ignorant babbling. Um, so would you mind elaborating on this? I really hadn't heard anything like this before and I'd like to be informed. Are intersex people then raised socially genderless for a few years? What name would be used to refer to the infant/toddler during this period? What are other people (friends/extended family) told? How is official paperwork handled? I was actually under the impression that intersex people were assigned a gender at birth (or around that period) just like everybody else, just that the process of picking which gender may not be as straightforward.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 12th Jan 2017, 5:12 PM edit delete reply
My friend is intersex, and she now identifies as a girl. Maybe it's not that way for everyone, but it was for her. And yes, I did read your previous comments. Don't think I ignored them. I'm sorry if I sounded rude, I did not mean to. We both have different opinions, and that's ok. I'm sorry. Are we good? :)
Cassie the bisexu-whale 12th Jan 2017, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
And to answer your questions, she went by and still goes by Jesse, a gender neutral name. Her parents used the pronouns they and them. However, if you are not familiar with this, then perhaps this was only the case for my friend.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 12th Jan 2017, 5:22 PM edit delete reply
Ok so I did some research and came back, and it turns out that you were right. Most of the time the parents and the doctor work together to come up with an assigned gender for their intersex child. I'm sorry for the miscommunication, and I guess we will just have to wait and see about Ana :D IM SO EXCITED!!
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 5:31 PM edit delete reply
I gotta say, Jesse's parents just sound so cool based on what you're saying.
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
I didn't mean to, in any way, imply that you were ignoring my comments. Rather that I made my comments earlier from a point of relative ignorance and, hence, you may feel free to ignore them. It's interesting hearing about your friend. I certainly didn't know that people might be raised that way. I only know what I've read in articles and watched in programs. Outside of that, the couple of people I've met who are intersex are also trans and were raised as a gender that doesn't match their gender identity. I don't know if theirs were cases where doctors could tell right away when they were born whether they were intersex or not.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 12th Jan 2017, 5:42 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I wish I had the answers, but I don't. I've only known Jesse for 3ish years, and we don't talk about her being intersex a lot. I have no clue what they told friends and family, how they filled out paperwork, how they lived with hate, or anything. I just know that when she was born, the doctors were unsure about her gender. A few months later they were told she was intersex and asked what the parents wanted to do. They were quite excepting people, so they decided to let the child decide on their own. But other than that, she hasn't really told me anything. We just like to focus on who she is now rather than the past. I wish my parents were as accepting as hers... but seriously now I'm wondering: Is Ana trans or intersex?! Ughhh the suspense is KILLING me!!
Kyla 10th Jan 2017, 4:46 PM edit delete reply
The look on her face is just awsome. Like wait.. what? ^_^
Guest 10th Jan 2017, 4:53 PM edit delete reply
Ana's never seen Ruby before, has she? Plus she's also probably trans of some currently ambigous variety so I can see how Rudy's comment would be a shocking thing.
thatguyinthecorner 10th Jan 2017, 5:30 PM edit delete reply
Anyone else hear the metal gear "!" in their heads?
BlackSocks 10th Jan 2017, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
I see as more of a Pokemon "!", but I am more familiar with the latter than the former.
Ellie 11th Jan 2017, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
I heard the Animal Crossing "!".
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 2:34 PM edit delete reply
Someone needs to put up a video on YouTube (if there isn't one already) comparing these different "!"s.
Lex-Kat 16th Jan 2017, 6:13 AM edit delete reply
I didn't until you mentioned it. ^.^ Now I can't get it out of my head.

I never played Pokemon or Animal Crossing.
Reimi 10th Jan 2017, 5:47 PM edit delete reply
Oh, this is gonna be good! I'm really itching to see how this scenario plays out.

Tomorrow I get to see my little brother for the first time in almost 2 years... He knows I'm trans but hasn't seen me since just after I started to grow my hair out. I can't wait to see his reaction. :P
BlackSocks 10th Jan 2017, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
Probably similar to Ana's reaction.
Reimi 11th Jan 2017, 6:21 PM edit delete reply
It went well, he is accepting and has no issue with it that he voiced to me. Biggest freakout was over my long hair (He only knew me with a buzz cut) and lack of facial hair, not the boobs. :P
BlackSocks 10th Jan 2017, 6:09 PM edit delete reply
@Lex-Kat: looks like the fight is off for now.
Lex-Kat 11th Jan 2017, 10:02 AM edit delete reply
You are so lucky. Ana was... Well, due to that stunned look on her face, I think Rudy just got in a good hit, without trying. So that's a point for him.

Rudy (1)/Ana (0)
Drumada 10th Jan 2017, 6:11 PM edit delete reply
Haha, oh man Ana's reaction. She already suspects someone of their friend group being trans, and then this happens.
mecaterpillar 12th Jan 2017, 2:08 PM edit delete reply
I hadn't even thought about that! It could be possible that she'd put two and two together and suspect that Rudy is trans. If so, it would be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Sarah 11th Jan 2017, 3:46 AM edit delete reply
Nice touch, the donut cushion in the first panel.
Voli 11th Jan 2017, 6:05 AM edit delete reply
you think with the cushion Ana would be a bit taller than Gavin and Rudy...
Guest 11th Jan 2017, 6:23 AM edit delete reply
Rudy is soo cute! And Anns face us priceless. XD
HUNDmiau 11th Jan 2017, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
Just give Rudy a bf. He looks too sad.
bgb16999 11th Jan 2017, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
My freshman year of high school, most of my friends were seniors, so I decided to go to prom to see them. My school didn't have any rule against underclassmen going without dates, though (only people from other schools needed to be invited.) My school was a lot more accepting than this one, though, and there wasn't really anyone I disliked to the same extent that Rudy probably dislikes a lot of the seniors at his school. So I can understand both sides of Rudy's thinking.

From a story perspective, though, I think that, if prom is going to be shown on-panel at all, all of the main cast will get there somehow. So either everyone is going, or no one is.
AmbiguousMouse 11th Jan 2017, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
I dunno, I could see the cast splitting up for prom, personally. For starters, it's seeming pretty likely that Maria and Chanel aren't going, and Gavin is... So in fact, I'd be surprised if they all went one way or another.
miiohau 11th Jan 2017, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
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Guest 11th Jan 2017, 7:41 PM edit delete reply
What is that donut thing in the first panel?
Lex-Kat 12th Jan 2017, 1:22 AM edit delete reply
It's for sitting on. When someone has a surgery "down there", it makes life easier and more comfortable to sit on an inflatable donut.
RubyRuthNeal 12th Jan 2017, 2:36 AM edit delete reply
Could Rudy actually be trans and not a gay male???
Sora 12th Jan 2017, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
He said he likes being a guy before. Personally, I think he's just a guy that likes crossdressing.
Riley_05 15th Jan 2017, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
Personally I doubt Rudy is trans based on plot, both Ana and Rain are trans girls so if we did see a new trans character in their age range he would be male so I think Rudy is going to continue to be an example of just a cis person who crossdresses
Transginger 12th Jan 2017, 4:30 AM edit delete reply
In those situations I literally just ask, "Context?" It asks the question without seeming hostile in any way. Because "What (the hell) are you talking about?" sounds combative.
lia47 13th Jan 2017, 3:49 AM edit delete reply
Aw Gavin looks so sympathetic
Riley_05 15th Jan 2017, 4:10 PM edit delete reply
I am really identifying with Rudy right now, I didn't have a date to my prom and just put on a dress and hung out with my friends at it, and I had a blast. I'm so glad to see a character who I can completely identify with as just LGBTQ+ characters are still quite hard to come by but your series has really helped me see that I'm not alone! :)
Syrahl 27th Jun 2022, 1:37 PM edit delete reply
I think it's deliciously comedic that Ana was pulled into the inner layer of this queer circle of friends primarily by Gavin, the only non-queer one - while she herself is going stealth. Everyone thinks shes cishet, she's been assuming everyone else is too, and seeing those assumptions breaking is making for some good reading. She's getting a lot more queer friends than she bargained for.
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