Maybe you expected a live scolding from Father Quenton on this page. In which case, I'm sorry to disappoint. I'm not ready for that quite yet. Besides, knowing Emily would have to relay what she was told to other people later anyway made me worry things would get redundant real fast. So instead, I decided we'll have Emily explain her punishment at dinner time to the people she currently lives with.
But on a scale of "let off easy" to "worst thing ever", how bad is this? Does it seem to fit Father Quenton's dramatic reputation, or could it be worse?
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Let's please not generalize like that. You are aware that plenty of Catholic people are transgender too, right? And this comic has a lot of Catholic readers even.
I'm not saying Catholics are all saints. I grew up Catholic myself; I know there are bad apples. But none of us (as in anyone anywhere) are saints. There's good and bad in every demographic of people.
@2nd Guest: As a Catholic transgirl myself I can say that that's really not true, as I ended up coming out to a priest in a confessional with no real negative reaction and came out with advice for coming out to my friends to boot. Yes, the Church has its issues with LGBT, but Father Quenton is a bad apple, really.
Honestly, as an Episcopal transgirl, I have a great deal of empathy to the Catholic "every life is sacred" mentality.
I live in hope that one day the SRS/GRS surgery will actually involve (1) a way to get the body to produce its own hormones so I wouldn't need to buy them, and (2) a uterus so I could get pregnant.
So to watch cis women who are pregnant when I couldn't just throw away children, this seems to produce an almost visceral level of disgust. Something I will never be able to do, and the treat it like a curse.
In my experience, two things. The level of embarrassment she feels closely mirrors that of a transgirl for her friends and family finding out. And second, aside from fundie churches (which fed me some bullshit about how I should use the men's bathroom), most churches I was in were open and accepting.
Heh... You think being a religious transgender person sucks? Try being a transgender ATHEIST in a small town in the middle of nowhere where atheists are frowned upon more than lgbt people are...
Their point is less that they have it worse and more that you're being discriminatory.
I've met three Mexicans. One tried to hit on my stepsister, is a generally pathetic despicable person (let's just say there's "not being averse to sex with trans people", then there's having a fetish for it, and THEN you have this guy) who is racist specifically against people of German decent (or just thinks responding to "my family is german" with "so do you still hate jews" is acceptable), and another broke into my house and gave my mom a concussion.
By your logic I am safe saying most Mexicans are awful, which I think we can agree is wrong. Now, this is fallacious as I will freely admit since 2/3 guys<basically everyone I've ever met in person, but let's take a bigger example.
Closed-minded as this might sound, basing your thoughts about a group based solely on your experience is never a good idea with regard to something as large as, say, the most expansive sect of the second most populous religion in the world. If you set down a spaceship in the Sahara, explored on foot and wrote a report about Earth based solely on that search one would think it an entire planet of sand and heat-far from the truth, given how much of it is covered in water. And if I wanted to join the misery poker, you could be in a country like Uganda where not only are lgbt folk treated like garbage (read: a list of their names AND ADDRESSES published in the newspaper with essentially a cry to go beat the crap out of them), but also water is scarce and not even clean some of the time.
@thatguy In the last TDOR I attended, I noticed a disproportionate amount of Hispanic and black transgender women killed. I think it has something to do with cultural norms.
The way I heard it, black men are okay with white transwomen. But not black transwomen. Sort of a "not my people" thing, where they don't are okay with whites being trans but it's somehow personal when they are of color.
And I think the other one has to do with machismo culture in Hispanic countries.
@j-eagle It sounds like she's getting detention, and they are taking away valedictorian. The latter is actually a blessing in disguise as the valedictorian is publicly in front of their entire class to speak. Emily is right, this is NOT something a pregnant girl wants if she does not want shame.
Well on that scale I would say par for the course... she's not expelled or even suspended (3 weeks detention is rough but not uncommon) . Losing valedictorian status is bs but also as emily said she doesn't want to be a news headline either. The last thing I don't get... is she going to be publicly shamed infront of the whole school?
I went to super catholic, catholic school. My best friend got pregnant, and it makes sense, that she can graduate and all. For my friend the school was super strict and admandent that she wouldn't drop out and made sure she went to a good college so she could still have a future. Still, it was a school with about 4-12 priests running around teaching anything from math to religion to spanish.
To be honest, not particularly surprised one way or the other.
The whole premarital sex thing rubs me the wrong way-while I don't see it as wrong morally, the concept of having sex with /anyone\ while you're still in high school seems infuriatingly stupid to me, something I constantly have to remind myself is because I'm ace and a judemental person besides.
But agh valedictorian. That part sucks...not to mention the possibilities on Monday.
I don't care if it is a Catholic school, I believe any amount of detention or removal of status for premarital sex is wrong. No one should punish anyone else for something that doesn't TRULY concern them. Yes, premarital sex IS something frowned upon in Catholicism, but it's also something PERSONAL. Since it's personal, I don't think the school should get involved, since I believe the personal nature of premarital sex trumps the Catholic reference. This is my opinion. I know others will disagree with this, and that's fine. This topic is a grey area and can be debated.
Valedictorian is like the top of the class, if I remember correctly. They make a speech to the class on graduation (usually a cliche about how this class is the future). It's honestly a good thing they got her out of that. The only thing objectionable is the detention.
Let's please not generalize like that. You are aware that plenty of Catholic people are transgender too, right? And this comic has a lot of Catholic readers even.
I'm not saying Catholics are all saints. I grew up Catholic myself; I know there are bad apples. But none of us (as in anyone anywhere) are saints. There's good and bad in every demographic of people.
I live in hope that one day the SRS/GRS surgery will actually involve (1) a way to get the body to produce its own hormones so I wouldn't need to buy them, and (2) a uterus so I could get pregnant.
So to watch cis women who are pregnant when I couldn't just throw away children, this seems to produce an almost visceral level of disgust. Something I will never be able to do, and the treat it like a curse.
In my experience, two things. The level of embarrassment she feels closely mirrors that of a transgirl for her friends and family finding out. And second, aside from fundie churches (which fed me some bullshit about how I should use the men's bathroom), most churches I was in were open and accepting.
Their point is less that they have it worse and more that you're being discriminatory.
I've met three Mexicans. One tried to hit on my stepsister, is a generally pathetic despicable person (let's just say there's "not being averse to sex with trans people", then there's having a fetish for it, and THEN you have this guy) who is racist specifically against people of German decent (or just thinks responding to "my family is german" with "so do you still hate jews" is acceptable), and another broke into my house and gave my mom a concussion.
By your logic I am safe saying most Mexicans are awful, which I think we can agree is wrong. Now, this is fallacious as I will freely admit since 2/3 guys<basically everyone I've ever met in person, but let's take a bigger example.
Closed-minded as this might sound, basing your thoughts about a group based solely on your experience is never a good idea with regard to something as large as, say, the most expansive sect of the second most populous religion in the world. If you set down a spaceship in the Sahara, explored on foot and wrote a report about Earth based solely on that search one would think it an entire planet of sand and heat-far from the truth, given how much of it is covered in water. And if I wanted to join the misery poker, you could be in a country like Uganda where not only are lgbt folk treated like garbage (read: a list of their names AND ADDRESSES published in the newspaper with essentially a cry to go beat the crap out of them), but also water is scarce and not even clean some of the time.
The way I heard it, black men are okay with white transwomen. But not black transwomen. Sort of a "not my people" thing, where they don't are okay with whites being trans but it's somehow personal when they are of color.
And I think the other one has to do with machismo culture in Hispanic countries.
http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2016/06/14/49669/80-percent-of-lgbt-people-killed-are-minorities/
http://www.alternet.org/gender/why-machismo-can-be-deadly-gay-latinos
@j-eagle It sounds like she's getting detention, and they are taking away valedictorian. The latter is actually a blessing in disguise as the valedictorian is publicly in front of their entire class to speak. Emily is right, this is NOT something a pregnant girl wants if she does not want shame.
The whole premarital sex thing rubs me the wrong way-while I don't see it as wrong morally, the concept of having sex with /anyone\ while you're still in high school seems infuriatingly stupid to me, something I constantly have to remind myself is because I'm ace and a judemental person besides.
But agh valedictorian. That part sucks...not to mention the possibilities on Monday.
but what is a valedictorian status? and why is it a big deal?
Here ya go.