Comic 775 - Cis and Trans

31st Dec 2015, 5:26 PM in Ch. 28: Love, Trust, and Respect
Cis and Trans
Average Rating: 5 (14 votes)
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Jocelyn 31st Dec 2015, 5:26 PM edit delete
Ah~! Vincent said the name of the chapter! XD

Love, trust, and respect are going to be pretty common themes throughout this chapter. I mean, they're significant to the story as a whole, but I want you to really be on the lookout here. We're going to be seeing a lot of examples and challenges to each of these before we're done. And have I mentioned that this chapter is insanely long? XD

Although this week's pages were mostly just stage setting, there's a lot of interesting stuff here too. Like, how Fara and Vincent neither confirmed nor denied that they were together. Or how Aiken asked about the compatibility of cis and trans people at all.

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Chris the Blue 31st Dec 2015, 5:46 PM edit delete reply
Chris the Blue
Aiken, you li'l sweetie.
Lilith Sturlson 31st Dec 2015, 5:51 PM edit delete reply

May you're evening be safe yet exciting ^w^ *swishes my tails*
Mina 31st Dec 2015, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
Vincent, stop giving Jocelyn cool names for her chapters! She's able to find them by herself, y'know? XD

Happy new year! ^^
Demonicplant 31st Dec 2015, 8:21 PM edit delete reply
I hope Jess and Aiken get back together~
Torne 31st Dec 2015, 11:11 PM edit delete reply
While expected, the real concern is Jess and how she'll see the newly educated Aiken. He did hurt her, after all.
Ranth 31st Dec 2015, 11:21 PM edit delete reply
Its been hinted that they have both been thinking about each other. The injury might be too much to recover from, but at the very least it will be a chance for closure.
T-Dog 1st Jan 2016, 12:17 AM edit delete reply
Well, to be fair they did a number to each other. Jess got way to deep in the relationship with out letting Aiken know. We are not talking casual dating or just friends here, they were engaged and sharing an apartment. Her plan until insurance coverage for surgery fell through was to not tell him at all. She only came clean after that fell through. His initial rejection may have hurt her, but she hurt him as well.
Jude P. 1st Jan 2016, 9:34 AM edit delete reply
I'm still not entirely convinced whether a trans woman is obligated to come out to a long-term romantic partner or not. I definitely think she ought to tell her partner she's sterile when they get to the point of discussing engagement, because for most people marriage implicitly involves eventual children, but a post-op trans woman is just about entirely anatomically indistinguishable from a post-OHE cis woman. So while I do think romantic partners need to be open and trusting, I'm not sure where the boundary for openness is. (I'm also ace, so I'm not working with much relationship experience here. :b) And anyway, in general cis/trans relationships are probably going to be self-selecting, i.e., not many trans people will stay with transphobic cis partners regardless of coming out.

Unfortunately surgery hasn't progressed quite far enough for trans men to be visually indistinguishable from cis men, though, so on that side I do think it's more necessary to come out before things get as far.
T-Dog 2nd Jan 2016, 9:39 AM edit delete reply
I would think that if someone had respect for their partner they would not keep a secret of that magnitude.
If they have such a low level of respect and trust in their partner, then there is no real relationship, no true partnership.
Such an lie by omission, that shows no respect or trust. Just selfish greed really.
thatguyinthecorner 2nd Jan 2016, 5:23 PM edit delete reply
You seem to think this was a deliberate act. I see nothing greedy about an act inspired by fear, nor do I sympathize with Aiken's "plight", though I do acknowledge I am distanced from most in that department.

Being trans is a complicated issue in that regard. It perplexes me you see things how you do. As the boyfriend of a transgirl who was never able to out herself to me out of fear I don't see any selfishness or greed there. Is it a bad situation? Yes. Are they partially to blame if things go wrong? I suppose. Would I call it selfish? No more than hiding a really ugly scar or something. There's a line between a lie of ommission and a wall of paralyzing fear, I feel, and this is squarely in the latter's territory.

Then again, I'm biromantic ace so maybe I don't care about gender enough to understand your viewpoint. I just think it's odd you could chalk it up to disrespect.

The entire argument hinges on the person's status as pre-op. If they're in post I fail to see why it would even matter aside from sterility.
T-Dog 3rd Jan 2016, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
Omission is a deliberate act. If she feared rejection that much then there is no trust. Or if she had reason to believe it would be an issue it is poor choice to pursue a relationship, and shows a great deal of disrespect. Trust and respect are the foundation for a relationship to last.
I, too, can not understand your view point.
Lemonado Girl 5th Jan 2016, 10:06 PM edit delete reply
Lemonado Girl
I guess I should intervene. As the aforementioned partner, let me clear up a few things.
First, let me stress that it is truly a concrete wall of...something. I had the perfect-storm opportunity to come out to him hit me in the face, and yet despite the fact that what has just gone down was basically a guarantee he'd take it well, something stopped me. I'm not sure what it was, but despite having no reason to fear and a perfect moment, I couldn't muster it.
Second, I wasn't actively pursuing a relationship at that time. I had a crush on him, before I even realized it, but I didn't want to actively go after a relationship-even when I was aware I had feelings, given all I really knew regarding his preferences was that he was ace at the time, I wasn't sure how it would go. Couple this with two things: first, the only time I'd had a crush come to any form of light, not only was the subject not interested, but it got me a bunch of heat from my classmates, most of which already weren't the greatest to me. Second, the fact that I felt really bad about not having come out yet. I still feel that way about the one friend I'm still not out to, even if it's for the best in our friendship and for my safety/cover (all male Catholic school, it's not a fun time) that I don't for a while. It was only when he (my boyfriend) put two and two together that we both admitted having feelings for the other.
I do hope that cleared up some things.
Guest 21st Jan 2016, 4:26 PM edit delete reply
Fuck off, t-dog. There is NO moral obligation to disclose one is trans.
Guest 1st Jan 2016, 1:41 AM edit delete reply
Happy New year to all :D , its honestly nice to see how much he has changed in a few months, i think being compared to his father made him really realize how much of an ass he was being
Sobi 1st Jan 2016, 2:44 AM edit delete reply
note to self put down name first XD
herper ner yer 1st Jan 2016, 3:51 AM edit delete reply
happy new year jocelyn
about to order my volumes of rain
j-eagle12212012 1st Jan 2016, 12:21 PM edit delete reply
Happy new year everyone. Love will always find a way

The last couple of months of 2015 and especially the last 72 hours have been rough on my family and extended family... here's to a better year
MarianLH 1st Jan 2016, 1:55 PM edit delete reply
Happy New Year, Jocelyn and all my fellow Rain Beaus!
SnapGrunt 1st Jan 2016, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn Ive been wondering for a while now Puddles name. Should you say it puddle as in the U should be sounded out uhh. OR puddle as in the dogs name Poodle.
Jocelyn 1st Jan 2016, 5:13 PM edit delete reply

The U should sound like an "uhh". Like as in a puddle of water caused by falling rain. ^_^
SnapGrunt 1st Jan 2016, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
thank you so much Jocelyn for the help with pronunciation
CertifiablyNerdy 1st Jan 2016, 6:55 PM edit delete reply
That's pretty adorable actually c:
no 12th Nov 2020, 11:41 AM edit delete reply
how did i never even notice that??
that means that puddles was named (and therefore most likely given to rain) *after* her coming out. and the fact that puddles name is actually related to rain´s means that that must really have been on her mind when she named him.
so my theory is that aunt fara got puddles for rain as a coming out gift.
Jacy Em 1st Jan 2016, 10:42 PM edit delete reply
Question: Is there any back story in Chapter A regarding Puddles?
Greg 1st Jan 2016, 11:51 PM edit delete reply
Illuminati Confirmed
Moonglide 19th Jul 2022, 11:41 AM edit delete reply
yeah i onky noticed 'Rain and Puddle' when near the end of the comic, Ana pointed it out to Maria(?).
BillycannotFly 1st Jan 2016, 9:18 PM edit delete reply
Oh God, it's 2016? 2015 has had to have been the worst year of my life, by far. The only good thing that happened was that my mother accepts me as her son, but even that got ruined.
Vidd187 1st Jan 2016, 10:52 PM edit delete reply
I like Aiken. I think he's going through some serious shit, and not telling anyone else about it, but trying really hard to understand all the new things about those around him
Guest 1st Jan 2016, 11:48 PM edit delete reply
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Guest 1st Jan 2016, 11:49 PM edit delete reply
Ive found out that the time zone the website is at is central european
CertifiablyNerdy 3rd Jan 2016, 12:06 PM edit delete reply
thanks, that was actually really bothering me. I'd like to know what time zone Jocelyn is posting these from, though.
Jocelyn 3rd Jan 2016, 6:31 PM edit delete reply
I live in New York, so my timezone is EST.
Lemonado Girl 1st Jan 2016, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
Lemonado Girl
*reads page*

Roll to resist squee! know how this goes.

But seriously Vincent's philosophy here is my philosophy as well, and I'm overjoyed to see that Aiken is at least 99.9% free from his less accepting philosophies handed down from his father, as they were certainly being quite toxic to his familial relations. Now to hope that Kellen can follow suit.

Still really worried about Chase at Emily's, though-an enemy at the gates indeed, and there's no guarantee of Emily's safety. I want to be all protective hug on her right now but I can't. Sad face.

And of course a happy new year. 2016...I'm graduating this calendar year and it still hasn't registered.
DocMesa 2nd Jan 2016, 5:51 AM edit delete reply
It's funny how the world turns. Two years ago, people were baying for Aiken's blood:

And now people Cis people can change as well.
Larry Lewis 3rd Jan 2016, 7:24 AM edit delete reply
Just blasted tgr
Guest 3rd Jan 2016, 7:33 AM edit delete reply
Just blasted through the archives in the last three days after finding a link on that delightful Christmas page on Jen Dolari's Closetspace. All caught up and feeling a little hollow because now I have to go sublight and read at the same pace as everyone else!
Wonderful comic, characters, story. Covers the same ground as Venus Envy, but s wholly yours. On, and Kellen's problem is common: she does not believe that transsexualism has any physical reality, but is entirely an emotional problem.
Lex-Kat 26th Nov 2016, 12:13 AM edit delete reply
*hugs Aiken* Welcome to being awesome. :)
arkathenia 6th Feb 2020, 8:13 PM edit delete reply
This might be the sweetest one yet, I'm tearing up at Vincent's eloquent and expansive explanation of what it takes for people to be in love
Kesi 1st Sep 2020, 10:37 PM edit delete reply
Aww, Aiken! You’re all grown up!
Casey K 22nd Oct 2020, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Casey K
Vincent's perspective on relationships vs. identity/orientation is spot on. This is the message we as a family, a community have to convey to those who don't understand as well. Well spoken.
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