Comic 633 - Like Sisters

27th Jan 2015, 7:16 PM in Ch. 24: Of Cons and Kisses
Like Sisters
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Jocelyn 27th Jan 2015, 7:16 PM edit delete
Fighter Frogs crossover with Twin Hydras? I remember that being pretty good. Still Rain, finish the original before losing to bizarre spinoffs! XD

On to more important matters though, Kellen... just... what the hell? To some extent, we can see she cares for Rain (in a way). "Playing along" shows she's trying to behave for Rain's sake(?). I mean, she's made it a couple hours into the day before really starting to be horrible. But those words also imply that she doesn't even understand why she's trying to be nice. Kellen's had this all explained to her already though (a few times, in a few ways), so why is she still so apprehensive of accepting this?

Is it really because she's still "new to this"? Is it their father? Does she just not understand the gravity of it all? Is it just too different for her? Is there any logical reason at all? What IS going on in Kellen's head?

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Vellikat 27th Jan 2015, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
I haven't wanted to slap a fictional character this much since Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
tmes2000 27th Jan 2015, 8:56 PM edit delete reply
Honestly if I had to deal with someone like this I would have punched them in the jaw after "creepy perversion"
Tualha 5th Jun 2015, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
Yeah yeah, I hope all you people saying you would slap her, punch her, etc. would not really do that IRL. Not appropriate. I totally dig wanting to, but *not appropriate*. A good verbal slapdown, such as I suspect Emily is about to deliver, yes. Not physical violence. Seriously, people, don't even joke about it. That's not what civilized people do. Leave that s*** to the people who make TDoR necessary. We're better than they are.
Noelle 28th Jan 2015, 1:11 AM edit delete reply
Good gods that boy was a whiny little bitch.

"Fucking man up dude, you have a magic wand!"

Yes, I realise the irony of saying man up in a Rain comment section about transphobia... But it applies to him! HP is cis!
Guest 28th Jan 2015, 1:01 PM edit delete reply
It's still a reinforcement of negative/toxic masculinity and gender expectations of men.
Vellikat 30th Jan 2015, 3:56 AM edit delete reply
Actually, I was referring to Umbridge.
Absentia 21st May 2021, 2:34 PM edit delete reply
Fuck Umbridge
Sawyer W. 27th Jan 2015, 8:24 PM edit delete reply
Her transphobia isn't for want of trying. However her reason for being so is far from logical. I would assume her father would have some influence on how she feels about Rain.

I just hope this all doesn't blow up right at the con and ruin Rain's first time at one.
j-eagle12212012 27th Jan 2015, 8:33 PM edit delete reply
I can say from personal experience the way a father reacts to something can leave a bitter aftertaste... and before anyone asks, yes my father reacted negativly and we are not on speaking terms and that is all I feel comfortable sharing
Devgirl Neko 27th Jan 2015, 11:55 PM edit delete reply
Devgirl Neko
I feel that. I haven't talked to my dad in almost 4 years because of how we left off after I came out...
Noelle 28th Jan 2015, 1:08 AM edit delete reply
*Gives you hugs*

My mum is coming around slowly. She started by wanted to put me in one of those torture camps, punishing me for no reason, and now she's just passive-aggressive if anyone brings up the topic of transgender people. However, ironically, she's still my biggest ally in almost everything and I think once I transition, she'll support me. Parents are idiots, but he might get better... Maybe...
tmes2000 27th Jan 2015, 8:53 PM edit delete reply
How the hell do you consider that a perversion?
Nightsky 27th Jan 2015, 9:24 PM edit delete reply
In her eyes it's just extreme cross-dressing, and for some stupid reason society especially frowns upon male-to-female cross-dressing.
tmes2000 28th Jan 2015, 12:15 AM edit delete reply
I know that but how is that a perversion? Isn't a perversion more along the lines of fetish?
Jocelyn 28th Jan 2015, 12:36 AM edit delete reply

For some, it is a fetish. There are people out there who are turned on by wearing clothes of the opposite sex. I would wager that's very rarely the case for transgender people, but there are sorts out there who do get off on it.
Torne 28th Jan 2015, 3:09 AM edit delete reply
"A cross dresser can't wait to get home to put on their bra. A woman can't wait to get home to take it off."
Devgirl Neko 29th Jan 2015, 12:02 AM edit delete reply
Devgirl Neko
@Torne Ha! That sounds about right for me. xD
Nightsky 27th Jan 2015, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
I'm now wondering how Kellen would react if it were the opposite—as in, Rain being female-to-male. For some stupid reason it's easier for girls to get away with dressing like guys than vice verse, so she might see it as just an extreme case of being a tomboy. But whether that would make this easier for her to accept or hinder it even more (again, "tomboy" is a thing but "tomgirl" isn't, so it seems even MORE like a phase), I can't tell...
Jocelyn 27th Jan 2015, 10:02 PM edit delete reply

It's easier for girls to be accepted if their tomboys and dress like boys? I think I would agree with this. But it's not necessarily easier for trans boys to be accepted (I don't think they have it worse than trans girls, but I don't think they have it better either).

The thing is, if Rain were FtM (transitioning to Ryan, for the sake of argument), Kellen might indeed treat him like a tomboy. The problem is that tomboys still identify as female, so that title might not be good enough for this hypothetical Ryan. Kellen would be continuing to use female pronouns in this scenario, ultimately being just as wrong either way.

It's purely hypothetical of course, but I don't really think it would necessarily be an improvement. Whether Rain was MtF or FtM or genderfluid or whatever, I feel like Kellen would still have a hard time with pretty much anything.
drs 27th Jan 2015, 9:46 PM edit delete reply
"Kellen's had this all explained to her already though"

Hmm, has she, really? People have said words to her, about her brother really being a girl and such, but does she have the context to understand them? Probably everyone reading this comic, and most of the regular characters, are steeped in trans issues by now. Aiken's been doing some research, though I'm not sure even he really *gets* it, as opposed to being worried about Ryan^WRain committing suicide and not getting yelled at by Aunt Fara again, and thus playing along.

Kellen doesn't have the background, doesn't have the research. We don't know much about the family background, but glimpses of the father and mother suggest nothing particularly liberal. And I think it's easy to forget what it's like before the mind-expanding experiences or research. The gender binary, or sex binary, is a very powerful concept, and pretty obvious to most people whom it hasn't failed. Telling Kellen "your brother's a girl now" or "your brother was always a girl mentally" may be like "the moon is green cheese" or "green ideas sleep furiously" for her. She can parse the sentence but it makes no sense to her: boys are boys and girls are girls, by definition, a boy can't be a girl, how is that even possible, has everyone around her gone insane?

Could be she's in a situation analogous to struggling with calculus despite deficient grounding in algebra, while everyone yells at her for not getting it, they've already explained integration to her, they've only been studying math for five years, obviously you can play with infinite series and cancel infinitesimals like fractions, what's wrong with her for not getting it overnight?

Or to the person who's been raised with God as the supposed justification for all morality, and people being fallen and sinful unless saved by grace, and thus "atheists can be good people just because" is completely mind-blowing and alien.
Jocelyn 27th Jan 2015, 10:33 PM edit delete reply

Just because she doesn't understand what she's been told, doesn't mean she hasn't been told. Other people have explained this situation to her a number of times in a number of ways, and she has known about it for months. Is it possible they didn't do the best job explaining it? Sure. Is it really their job to educate her though? No. It isn't. That's on her.

Regardless of her background, if she doesn't understand something, there's the internet, or books, or hey, Rain's right there. She could directly ask her at any time. The point is, Kellen's an adult and she knows how to obtain information if she wants it. Everyone may be failing to explain all this to her it terms she can understand, yes, but it's not their fault she doesn't get it. She could be putting a bit more effort in herself.
Human#542 28th Jan 2015, 3:49 AM edit delete reply
Sure, gender variance can be hard to understand if you don't have experience. However, if something is important to a person, then there's no reason to keep disrespecting.
megumi 28th Jan 2015, 8:27 AM edit delete reply
Things have been explained to her, she's exactly like my own sister who I'm still not sure if she really hates my guts or if she's just embarrassed that I look better than she does practically right out of the box when I came out as transgender so she lashes out against me in anger. She has the ability to research what being trans is, yet she won't make the tiniest effort to educate herself or even listen to me talk about why I feel the way I do and for how long I was tortured by my own feelings. Kellen has been pretty tame compared to what my sister has called me. She recently called me "a freak who goes into women's bathrooms to rape them and I'm a sick child molesting pedophile" to my face, which none of that is even true as I am a good person who'd never do anything like that. Then after saying that she physically assaulted me last December because I wouldn't show up in "guy" mode so my niece and nephew could se "me" during Christmas even though I've been living authentically for the past 7 months very successfully and me being transgender is very real no matter how much she wants to ignore this. Unconditional love is a PITA when you aren't able to just walk away from a very painful situation like unsupportive family. At least I can my parents are slowly coming around.
Erin 28th Jan 2015, 2:55 PM edit delete reply
The thing is, Rain has been living alone with Fara for years. She's been disconnected from her old family, because of her worthless dad. The only connection to the family she has is Fara. Aiken and Kellen may as well be strangers to her and if they don't accept, fine, nothing gained, nothing lost. Because there weren't any bridges to burn in the first place.

Also, I don't think that you'd object to me saying that, but your sister is a idiot.
f0xhole 29th Jan 2015, 7:08 AM edit delete reply
Gosh, if only there was anyone present who would know Rain and be able to explain being trans if she only took a moment or ounce of caring to ask. Or perhaps, some sort of...'interconnected network' of information gathered by humanity that can be accessed anywhere on the planet that she could go to for clarity.

But nah, better to keep shit talking her about something that she's made really clear is important to her and calling her a creepy pervert behind her back. That's what really builds relationships and understanding.
Rae 27th Jan 2015, 10:54 PM edit delete reply
Kellen's response towards the end reminds me of what my mom said to me when I told her how I felt about my gender dysphoria. She was and is unable to understand what I'm going through and has made little effort to do so in my opinion. She wouldn't even listen to me or consider it as a serious issue until I told her I was depressed and near suicidal because of it. Even after that she still acts as if we never talked about it When a family member doesn't make an effort to understand your situation, it hurts. Even more so when you're still dependent on them. To say those kind of things when you don't have a sufficient understanding of the subject is just ignorant, especially when information is so readily accessible.
Lilith 28th Jan 2015, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
I would wonder what Kellen would think if everyone called Kellen a guy, and referred to Kellen by masculine pronouns and the like, nagging nonstop for years why Kellen is so girly? I would think she might not enjoy that very much.
DocMesa 28th Jan 2015, 3:05 AM edit delete reply
A recent event in my personal life gave me a little perspective on Kellen's point of view. Its easier to understand and empathize with transgender folks when you spend a lot of time with them. My closets friends are both transwomen and they mean the world to me.

But then you have someone like Kellen. Kellen, I suspect, does not spend a lot of time around transgender folks, or even LGBTers beyond Fara. Its almost certainly not something that would have been covered in sex education at school for her. Her only frame of reference for trans people would be crappy sitcoms with drag queens serving as a punch line, or even worse, something like silence of the lambs.

She's now spending time with Rain, and only garbage like that as a social reference. Sure, she is being extremely stubborn and unwilling to accept her "Baby Bro" is in fact a "Baby Sis" but constant putdowns are not going to do anything to help.

Its going to take a huge amount of time for Kellen to understand all this. It did for me - and having my trans friends in my life was worth every second of effort.
Ashura Atsu 28th Jan 2015, 5:02 AM edit delete reply
From a writing perspective, this needs to be wrapped up soon. Way too much hate and bashing going around on both sides. Yes, real life is not as kind, but this is a story. We feel the pain and the message has been hammered in enough. Time to have Kellen get it and move on.
And speaking of getting it hammered in, it's obvious that method is not working on Kellen so why does this keep happening? Instead of repeatedly yelling at her how wrong she is, maybe work at it a different angle?
This was the closest anyone ever got to make her open her eyes. Yes, Kellen is close-minded and stubborn as hell, but when you get down to it, there's a reason for that: she wants her brother back. It's like when a person close to you dies and you're in denial about it for ages. She's trying to write this all off as a phase in order to keep her sanity and not to break down.
Maybe if she treated this Rain as a whole other person, like a long lost sister, instead of Ryan. Maybe if she was given a bit of leeway on the pronoun use in exchange for *sigh* not calling Rain's transition a 'creepy perversion.' Either way, yelling at her isn't working. Try something else or at this rate she'll be yelled out of the family.
Jocelyn 28th Jan 2015, 7:28 AM edit delete reply
@Ashura Atsu

Honest question: who's yelling? Correcting her does not equal yelling. Trying to explain something to her is not bashing her. Emily in particular is quite stern - I won't deny this - but I would argue the last panel here is the first truly harsh thing she's said to her.
Ashura Atsu 28th Jan 2015, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
Forgive me; it was late when I typed that. It was more like "for lack of a better word," but it's not just correcting. So far Emily's just been going "you have to say it like this and treat her like this." Often time people who are prejudiced just don't understand why they should be more understanding. Telling them they need to stop behaving like that only makes things worse. I think Aiken was the only one who actually sat her down and explained things in a way she understood. Maybe it's because he's family or maybe it's he went through the same thing himself. It's like when your tutoring someone in algebra for example. Sometimes they can't figure out the "normal" way to solve for x so you have to work around, backwards, or anyway that makes sense to them. Continuously telling a student "You're wrong, it has to be this way!" doesn't always work so well. Think of how many times Rain has been put down for doing things wrong. To Kellen, she's now being on the receiving end. Heck, maybe telling her this is how Rain felt her whole life would work, too.
But like I said, at it's core the root of the problem seems to be that she wants her brother back, even if it hurts Rain. This needs to be addressed first. I like what Aiken said "If I had to choose, I'd rather have her be a happy little sister than a permanently depressed ticking time of a little brother." I think that's what really sunk in and got the first "maybe you're right" out of her.
Rain Beau Dash 29th Jan 2015, 9:35 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn, your new avatar is adorable! (that's supposed to be you, right?)

Edit: i totally ship cartoon-Jocelyn with Rain ^^
tmes2000 29th Jan 2015, 4:09 PM edit delete reply
Well I mean Jocelyn already has a wife so that one is gonna be tough to make canon XD
Jocelyn 29th Jan 2015, 7:27 PM edit delete reply
Happy marriage aside, I think I'm a little old for Rain. The age difference between me and her is exactly the age difference between Emily and Chase. And the LAST thing I wanna do is compare myself to Chase. XD

But yes, the new avy is me. ^_^
Angie 29th Jan 2015, 4:22 PM edit delete reply
Kellen just gets worse and worse. I'm an optimist so I think it is possible for her to change but I think it would take a lot of looking inward I don't see her willing to do. Plus, Kellen it is so rude to make fun of trans womens voice. You got no idea how hard that stuff is for us.
Erin 29th Jan 2015, 6:28 PM edit delete reply
""Playing along" shows she's trying to behave for Rain's sake(?)."
If that was the case, she wouldn't talk trash about Rain behind Rain's back.
Jocelyn 29th Jan 2015, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Hence the question mark. >_>
Transginger 11th May 2016, 2:02 AM edit delete reply
As deep as all the other comments were, I'll keep mine light;

I actually had to set down my iPad when I read the Fighter Frogs, Twin Hydras panel. I actually have a copy of Battle Toads, Double Dragons for the original Gameboy. As AWFUL as I was at that game, man was it awesome. It was like a racer game, a side-scrolling beat'em up, and Asteroids all in one. To this day I've still yet to beat level five (the Asteroids level). It was REALLY HARD.
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