But more to the point, it's good of Gavin that he came forward and directly told Rain about his intentions. He must be learning from Rudy's mistakes.
Besides that, for all that goes on here, I'm not sure what else to add. Except that I can't remember why I combined these pages. They probably could have each worked on their own. Meh. Whatevs. Enjoy your two pages. ^_^
Also, I've said this before, but I'm trying to raise money for SRS, and I'm still struggling with it. If you can help, it would be most welcome. If not, don’t worry about it. I totally understand (you don't need to feel bad or apologize if you can’t).
I can't decide if I'm more happy for Maria/Chanel and Gavin, or feel bad for Rudy :P
On a side note, I didn't realise you hadn't had (done? gotten?) SRS yet - I'd donate if I had money! If you don't mind me asking, have you had (done? gotten?) hormone treatment yet? I may have missed some of your Author Notes if you've mentioned it before, getting too caught up in the story!
Yeah. I've been on hormones almost 19 months now (I actually started the comic before I started transition). I'm just working my way through some of the last hoops at the moment for surgery (actually I just finally got the last letter I need very recently; second therapist took their sweet time writing it). So at the very least, I am getting there setup-wise.
It is pretty exciting. I do try to keep calm though as I've heard some horror stories about the waiting lists. And hopefully, I'll have my finances in order before the day actually comes (not really sure what happens otherwise). So, I'm not quite out of the woods yet, but I AM getting there and just trying to keep positive and do my best. ^_^
I'm going to admit, I REALLY don't like Gavin here. Ana told him she wasn't interested (at least not yet) and just wanted to be friends--him asking her out is a direct and knowing violation of her desires. Either he hasn't thought about that (in which case, he isn't actually thinking about her feelings) or he has and has decided that he's gonna do it anyway (in which case, he just doesn't care). Either way, I really hope Ana says no, & Gavin learns a much needed lesson on entitlement.
I've actually had guys continue chasing me after I specifically told them "no". It basically spelt the end of my trusting them as a friend. I've also had a friend accept my "no", and genuinely put his feelings aside in order to be friends. Some time later, we actually did end up getting together--when my situation had changed and I was actually in the space where I COULD consider having a relationship, and after I had actually had a decent chance to get to know him.
Right now, Gavin is leaving more and more of a sour taste in my mouth. Which is a pity, because otherwise I'm loving every part of the story right now.
Well, the last time we saw her, Ana kissed him on the cheek and said "Like I said, never say never". We shall see what happens next, but it's not exactly a clear "no".
If he were to ask her out before they went on that not-date at the mall, I'd probably agree. However, their get-together at the mall went pretty well, and she ended it on a note which highly implied she wouldn't mind being asked out now. The way it ended, I wouldn't call her answer a "no" anymore, though I don't know if I'd call it a "yes", either. At the very least, it's not a definite no anymore and is much more positive than before. Otherwise she wouldn't have kissed him on the cheek.
Additionally, the main reason she refused at first because she didn't want to go on a date with a boy she didn't know very well, especially after her previous boyfriend trauma. However, the not-date took care of that (to an extent), and it's clear she's comfortable with him now so she might give him a shot.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of guys who can't take "no" either, but Ana's answer is no longer a definite no.
Yeah, having someone not give up can be uncomfortable from my experience. I lost someone I would have liked to have kept as a friend. So it isn't better when the gender roles are reversed, either.
That being said, I think Gavin is mentioning this to Rain because of what happened when they went to the movies. There is a good potential of misunderstanding with how they ended it, but Ana left things open to a relationship developing.
Now hopefully Gavin is asking Rain early to make sure he doesn't hurt her feelings and not trying to rush into things with Ana. Taking his time to get to know Ana better seems like the best course to me. (And of course in high school we only ever make the best relationship decisions.)
yeah, agreed. regardless to Rain having a crush too.
I mean despite assuring her before the mall thing that it wasn't a date, he was srsly just looking for platonic friendship, etc etc etc, then he keeps trying to set it up as really a date after all and he is into her? Really, really slimy.
also @ all the people quoting her - like, fuck, it's really common to say shit like that when you DO mean know but you're trying to let them down ~politely~ cause you don't know how they'll react? like, "I'm not saying it could NEVER happen" absolutely is a no, it's the closest one can get to saying it'll never happen without directly saying that.
What I wanna know is how you draw all this without keeling over... having drawn one drawing which took me at least three hours, I feel my dreams of writing a webcomic fading away.
So, how /do/ you do it? Sorry if this is the wrong sort of place to be asking for advice, but it looks like you've made a massive effort here. How do you manage?
C'mon. Gavin haters. Apparently keeping things purely platonic was less important to Ana than not paying for her ticket for movie. She did kiss him at the end, so its not like she didn't give him permission to try to woo her. Yes, courting =/= manipulation.
Or are you saying than anything less than "hey Gavin, wanna have sexual intercourse?", would mean he would be rapist for trying too ask her out for another date?
Why on earth are people so convinced that a kiss on the cheek was anything more than platonic? I regularly kiss my friends on the cheek, and hug them--hell, even sit on their laps (or pn occation, sleep in the same bed). I know a large number of other people who do so as well. Maybe that's a difference in culture or social circles, but the point is, assuming that a kiss on the cheek automatically equals flirting or "permission to woo" her seems to suggest that any friendly behaviour or shows of affection indicate that SUDDENLY, she has gone from 'not wanting to date right now' (for what seems to be very sensible and personal reasons) to 'totally wanting Gavin to go for it'.
"Never say never" probably just means that she's recognising the possibility that SOME DAY, when she knows Gavin better, and is ready to date, then MAYBE it might end up happening.
She said "no". "Mixed signals" don't mean "yes". If a person IS giving what could be perceived as "mixed signals" the decent response is to assume the clear and verbal "No" is the accurate one and respect that, rather than charging in only a few days later and assuming that CLEARLY the person you hardly know at all is just wanting what you want.
On a side note, I didn't realise you hadn't had (done? gotten?) SRS yet - I'd donate if I had money! If you don't mind me asking, have you had (done? gotten?) hormone treatment yet? I may have missed some of your Author Notes if you've mentioned it before, getting too caught up in the story!
Yeah. I've been on hormones almost 19 months now (I actually started the comic before I started transition). I'm just working my way through some of the last hoops at the moment for surgery (actually I just finally got the last letter I need very recently; second therapist took their sweet time writing it). So at the very least, I am getting there setup-wise.
It is pretty exciting. I do try to keep calm though as I've heard some horror stories about the waiting lists. And hopefully, I'll have my finances in order before the day actually comes (not really sure what happens otherwise). So, I'm not quite out of the woods yet, but I AM getting there and just trying to keep positive and do my best. ^_^
I've actually had guys continue chasing me after I specifically told them "no". It basically spelt the end of my trusting them as a friend. I've also had a friend accept my "no", and genuinely put his feelings aside in order to be friends. Some time later, we actually did end up getting together--when my situation had changed and I was actually in the space where I COULD consider having a relationship, and after I had actually had a decent chance to get to know him.
Right now, Gavin is leaving more and more of a sour taste in my mouth. Which is a pity, because otherwise I'm loving every part of the story right now.
The last thing Ana needs is a Dogged Nice Guy pursuing her against her wishes.
Additionally, the main reason she refused at first because she didn't want to go on a date with a boy she didn't know very well, especially after her previous boyfriend trauma. However, the not-date took care of that (to an extent), and it's clear she's comfortable with him now so she might give him a shot.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of guys who can't take "no" either, but Ana's answer is no longer a definite no.
That being said, I think Gavin is mentioning this to Rain because of what happened when they went to the movies. There is a good potential of misunderstanding with how they ended it, but Ana left things open to a relationship developing.
Now hopefully Gavin is asking Rain early to make sure he doesn't hurt her feelings and not trying to rush into things with Ana. Taking his time to get to know Ana better seems like the best course to me. (And of course in high school we only ever make the best relationship decisions.)
I mean despite assuring her before the mall thing that it wasn't a date, he was srsly just looking for platonic friendship, etc etc etc, then he keeps trying to set it up as really a date after all and he is into her? Really, really slimy.
also @ all the people quoting her - like, fuck, it's really common to say shit like that when you DO mean know but you're trying to let them down ~politely~ cause you don't know how they'll react? like, "I'm not saying it could NEVER happen" absolutely is a no, it's the closest one can get to saying it'll never happen without directly saying that.
What I wanna know is how you draw all this without keeling over... having drawn one drawing which took me at least three hours, I feel my dreams of writing a webcomic fading away.
So, how /do/ you do it? Sorry if this is the wrong sort of place to be asking for advice, but it looks like you've made a massive effort here. How do you manage?
Or are you saying than anything less than "hey Gavin, wanna have sexual intercourse?", would mean he would be rapist for trying too ask her out for another date?
"Never say never" probably just means that she's recognising the possibility that SOME DAY, when she knows Gavin better, and is ready to date, then MAYBE it might end up happening.
She said "no". "Mixed signals" don't mean "yes". If a person IS giving what could be perceived as "mixed signals" the decent response is to assume the clear and verbal "No" is the accurate one and respect that, rather than charging in only a few days later and assuming that CLEARLY the person you hardly know at all is just wanting what you want.
>What will BLACKSOCKS do?
>Bag
>Poke Ball
>The wild RANDY escaped from the Poke Ball!
>The wild RANDY ran away!
:( A rare encounter with an elusive wild RANDY, and I blew my shot.... next time, I'm bringing a Master Ball.