Comic 452 - Support

7th Nov 2013, 8:39 PM in Ch. 17: Journey of 1,000 Miles
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)
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Jocelyn 7th Nov 2013, 8:39 PM edit delete
Deep, heavy stuff. Besides the obvious topic of Emily’s pregnancy (and her decision concerning it), these pages introduce quite a few new things about her background as well.

I'm trying my damnedest to leave "pro-life vs pro-choice" arguments out of the story, but I did get a few comments on the matter with the previous page. So, while I’m afraid I may be opening Pandora’s Box here, I’m actually just very curious about the general consensus: Is Emily making a big mistake with this? Is this potentially a good thing for her? Is there a right or wrong answer at all? Similarly, do you think Fara is handling the situation well, by not being pushy and leaving things up to Emily? (I know this can be a heated topic, but please do try to keep it clean and respect the opinions of your fellow readers even if you disagree.)

Rain, all characters and all other aspects of the story are copyright material belonging to me.

Also, I'm saving for SRS, and to be perfectly honest, I could use your help! If you can, great. If not, don’t worry about it. I totally understand (you don't need to feel bad or apologize if you can’t).
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Nami 7th Nov 2013, 8:55 PM edit delete reply
I believe that Fara's approach was good. It's Emily's decision, it wouldn't be a good idea to push her either way.

Now, about if Emily's decision was good or not, I don't know =/
j-eagle12212012 7th Nov 2013, 9:00 PM edit delete reply
In fairness, some people should have children some shouldn't , I think whatever Emily decides is her choice,right or wrong, and that is fine with me.
Moon Warrior 7th Nov 2013, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
Moon Warrior
tbh its probably not a very good idea for her to keep the kid because shes what, 16? but yknow its her choice and its good that fara supported her
Nightsky 7th Nov 2013, 9:46 PM edit delete reply
Actually she's 18. This is her senior year.
Guest 8th Nov 2013, 6:25 AM edit delete reply
well at least close to
Karen Lynn 7th Nov 2013, 9:59 PM edit delete reply
I'm pro choice. If she keeps it, she keeps it; if she doesn't, she doesn't. I don't dig religion, and I'm opening my own can of worms, but...

I agree with the Supreme Court: Personhood begins at birth.

With the feminists:
The body can be donated, organ by organ, on a permission basis. Same with letting a parasite occupy the uterus. You can permit it to stay, or you can remove it.
Elius 29th Jun 2022, 5:18 PM edit delete reply
This comment didn’t age well
JustRaining 31st Jul 2022, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
Unfortunately I had exactly the same thought 😭 Hopefully after some more time another person can write it again, but in reply to this comment!
Nightsky 7th Nov 2013, 10:00 PM edit delete reply
When it comes to abortion, I support it in certain cases where the baby would likely be worse off alive. Conversely, I abhor it when a woman gets an abortion for totally selfish reasons ("A baby would get in the way of my career" or "I have to compete in sports").

In Emily's case, I have no objections to whatever she chooses. She's in a difficult position as a teenage mother, without even the father in the picture. At some point, someone will have to tell him the news, but not yet. For now, she really needs all the support she can get. And even though she and Rain are sisters in spirit, right now Rain has a lot of stuff on her mind and unfortunately can't be there for her as much as she'd need, especially if the hormones make her more prone to crying. I don't mean any offense, but right now Emily needs someone strong to support her. Seeing her emotional support burst into tears every few minutes would NOT help.

Fara may act a bit immature at times, but in the end she's a strong woman. She's just the kind of person Emily needs right now.
no 8th Nov 2020, 3:23 AM edit delete reply
this. i agree with your assessment on this one in every way
Luna 7th Nov 2013, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
This might be not avoiding the whole prolife vs prochoice thing, but honestly since we all recognize it to be a thing, I'd say that Emily keeping or not keeping this baby relies on where she falls in this arguement. I don't think she has what it takes to raise a baby. If she keeps it, she will either fail, or burden others. But, she will regret not keeping it if that is what she decides to do. There is no winning option, but in the end, people should do what they believe to be right. After all, doing what you believe is wrong is always wrong, even if you are better off in the process.
SpaceMonkey 3rd Feb 2014, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
I love your perspective, largely because I don't know I've heard anyone else so clearly espouse my own values.

If you believe it's wrong don't do it. If you believe it's right then do it.
Aislinn 8th Nov 2013, 12:10 AM edit delete reply
There is not right answer here. I support the right of choice, and that means precisely that - choice. Emily's choice. If she chooses to keep the child, good. If she chooses not to, also good. There are arguments for and against and every which way. Ultimately, the only thing that matters is her decision.
Everyone 8th Nov 2013, 12:31 AM edit delete reply
Because this is a religous school one could infer that she is not aborting it based on her beliefs. That being said if she does have the baby at that age without someone to help support the baby(mom being out of the picture a lot). I think the best option would be to put the baby up for adoption. She gets to do what she thinks is right, and whats best for the baby.
DocMesa 8th Nov 2013, 3:30 AM edit delete reply
I..can understand, I think.

Emily doesn't have any family in her life. This baby represents a chance to have a family again. Maybe that's why she wants to keep it.
drs 8th Nov 2013, 8:54 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, her choice, but my prudence-based recommendation would be "abort! abort!" She's 17, or 18, entering a depressed economy if this is current real-world, no father, not even grandparents worth speaking of (lots of single parents get by with the help of *their* parents; Emily's mom has basically abandoned her but for money)... seems likely that her existing 'friends' wouldn't be a good support network either, though her new ones might be better. Sometimes this sort of thing works out, but the risks of poverty and resentment of the child seem a lot higher. Some mothers will say "keeping the kid was the best thing ever, hard as it was" and others will advise getting an abortion unlike they did...

Caveat: I don't remember how rich her mother is. If Emily gets to keep enough money, that solves a bunch of problems compared to the typical single teen mom. Basic support, day care, etc...
kyla 8th Nov 2013, 10:06 AM edit delete reply
I think Emily is very strong and able to take care of a baby, But she can have a life even stay in school If she gets support.
Hopefully the "Dad" will be grown up about this and Help take care of his kid no matter if they get back together or not. And maybe just maybe Emily's Mom will start being there for her.
IllCaesar 8th Nov 2013, 10:07 AM edit delete reply
For what its worth, she doesn't have to keep the baby to not have an abortion. She can always put it up for adoption. Chances aren't great that this potential baby would find a stable, loving home, but she's not going to find any real support beyond an emotion pat-on-the-back from most people, and we have no idea how Emily's mother would react because we kinda don't know anything about her mother, besides that she's always away. Abortion might be prudent for her sake and the sake of the potential baby, given how clusterfucked the adoption process is.

Whenever a teenage girl gets pregnant, I can't help but think of an old friend from a few years ago. A girl, who was actually a lesbian, ended up having twins, and my friend ended up becoming her girlfriend about a week after she got pregnant. They decided to keep the babies and stick through it together. Well, things didn't work out so well at first. They both got kicked out of their homes and were basically living in a car for about three weeks before they found a shelter, and the shelter was homophobic so it'd only accept one of the parents, so the other ended up living in a car for another few weeks and then in a cardboard box for about two weeks. She had a job too, by the way. All the money went towards taking care of the babies. The only reason things didn't get even worse is because one of the mothers of one of the girls finally came to her senses when she realized that her daughter was living in a cardboard box trying to take care of the infants. If it weren't for her accepting her daughter (and her adoptive grandchildren and soon-to-be daughter-in-law) back into her home, they wouldn't have been able to take care of those kids. If you're a teenage mother, you at the very least need the support of one of your parents to maybe be able to keep the kid without going hungry or homeless. My heart goes out to all those that try, but its a bad decision for all parties involved.
drs 8th Nov 2013, 1:10 PM edit delete reply
> clusterfucked

If we acknowledge society's racism, classism, and fear of adoptee 'problems', the newborn baby of a rich blonde white girl, being given up not for health reasons, has the best chances of any adoptive kid. Even better if it's a girl; I've read US adoptions tend to be driven by the wives, who tend to want to adopt girls.

(Of course, if there's a personality component to genetics, then the grandparents of one parent are missing and absentee, and the other parent doesn't seem super responsible. Risky kid. But hey, agencies don't give you that much information...)
drs 8th Nov 2013, 1:10 PM edit delete reply
"genentic component to personality" is more what I meant.
Anna 8th Nov 2013, 4:25 PM edit delete reply
Can I side-step the obvious topic and just say... Woohoo! Double page update :)
Shei-kun 8th Nov 2013, 10:08 PM edit delete reply
Well my belief is that if she wants to, and is completely willing to take full responsibility for what bringing a baby to term means, then yes, Emily is making the correct choice. Fara, for her part, is doing the right thing, hands down. Emily needs people who will support her without judgment so she'll have the emotional strength to make any decisions she needs to make. Will Emily be a good mom? Would she be better off giving the child up for adoption? These questions can't be answered yet.

If Emily decided to get an abortion instead, that is also her choice, and she shouldn't be judged for it.

This could very well be one of the best things to happen to Emily, or the worst. It all depends on how others react and whether or not Emily steps up to the plate and takes responsibility as best she can, and whether or not people support her in her decision to do so, friends and family both. Emily's future down this path may not lead to being materially wealthy, but there's more important kinds of wealth out there that she could be swimming in all the same.
DaveMorrison 10th Nov 2013, 2:39 PM edit delete reply
Thanks for a fabulous comic! Blown away, found it yesterday - finished it today...

Really enjoyed your style and especially your author posts and updates on your journey.

Absolutely hated getting to this post btw, i could have read for hours more, keep up the good work and good luck going forward
Butterfly 6th Dec 2013, 10:49 PM edit delete reply
fara is without a doubt one of the most lovable characters in this comic, because she is so compassionat, i beleve that if emily does keep the baby, fara is by far the best posible sort of person to be a mother wear one isnt, from what ive read of the kind of person she is, i cant see her reffusing to babysit school time, i beleve she would eveb offer to do so, things will without a doubt get harder for emily but by choosing to keep it she has show a sence of responsibility, (not that abortion isnt a reesponsible in worst case senarios) and was even going to do so alone. but i think in the absence of her own mother, she wants above all to be their for her child. and i alreeady think that farra is a mother to all, even people she hasnt met :) i know its a personal opinion but i know a person who went through what emily is going threw and was furtunate anougth have her verry own fara
Syrup 7th Sep 2014, 5:11 PM edit delete reply
the world will not exist if fara's charachter gets any better
Ruth 9th Aug 2016, 8:03 PM edit delete reply
I am biased in this question because I know a woman who ultimately committed suicide largely influenced by an abortion she had after having her first child. The first child, a son, now a young adult, was very distraught to learn that he might have had a little sister if things had been different... and now is deeply devastated by the loss of his mother.

Not to bring religion into it, but I always have to ask what if the child was destined to have become someone who would've brought a lot of love into the world?

And consciousness does indeed begin in the womb. I still have memories of my time just before my own birth, and a vivid recollection of my own birth itself. When I described the details of these memories to the very doctor who delivered me 18 years prior, during my per-college physical exam when I was a senior in high school, he was completely astounded and told me that everything I remembered about the delivery room and the events that happened immediately after I was born (I nearly died right after birth due to some respiratory complications) was correct.
Narsil 22nd Nov 2016, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
Well, I envy you all for living in country where "prolife vs. prochoice" is actually a choice. There is no such choice where I live. You were raped? Child is going to be terribly deformed? Or you simply cannot afford to have children right now? Well, tough luck, Party and Church had decided for you already.

You are lucky, girls and guys.
Some Ed 14th Jun 2017, 5:03 PM edit delete reply
Emily already made her mistake. All she has at this point are bad options for how to handle it. Which is least bad? Nobody can tell that right now. Chances are good, nobody will be able to tell that later, because there's no going back and trying something else.

Note: the mistake was not dumping the guy who supplied alcohol to her Halloween party.

That said, I'd say her *best* option right now is to talk to a doctor, to get an analytical review of her options medically, and a lawyer, to get an analytical review of her options legally. It wasn't clear to me in the comic if Chase has enough income to be worthwhile suing for child support, but even if Emily knows he doesn't, there's still the matter of her own mother. The comic hasn't portrayed the mother much apart from not being present for her daughter to any effective degree, which could suggest a pregnant daughter could be considered more of a liability than anything. Which sucks, but some people are like that. It's best to know the legal landscape before making big decisions if feasible.

One of her worst options would be to be seen going into a planned parenthood center. She goes to a catholic school. Even if she's just going there to scream at one of their volunteers, she could get kicked out of school for associating with them. Because, as mentioned, some people are like that. Note that I'm not saying she couldn't go to planned parenthood, but if she's going there, as much should be on the phone as feasible, and she should take pains to not be seen going there.
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