Comic 1472 - Unconditional

16th Feb 2022, 8:39 AM in Ch. 44 - And When the Rain Clears...
Unconditional
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Jocelyn 16th Feb 2022, 8:39 AM edit delete
Jocelyn
Thankfully, the comments section hasn't been too much as Ky describes, with relatively few gripes through this chapter so far. I don't know if that's me actually handling the setup well enough to allow people to accept all these high school sweethearts. (Or y'all were rooting for those sweethearts anyway, so who cares about plausibility?) XD

I don't have much else to add here except "poor Ky." Maybe not in those exact terms, but I've been there - ready to swear off dating because "I'll never find someone who takes me as I am and likes me for me." The good news is that I did. And because of that - combined with my insufferable optimism - I'm sure Ky will find that special someone someday too. :)


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SpiltMilk64 16th Feb 2022, 9:00 AM edit delete reply
SpiltMilk64
Gavin and Ky have an underrated friendship.
Tokuben 16th Feb 2022, 9:03 AM edit delete reply
¨If this were a webcomic¨ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (4th wall break)
Some Ed 16th Feb 2022, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
IMHO, it's not quite a fourth wall break. I mean, I know people who make comments like that in real life, and while there has been *some* of that in these comments, as Jocelyn mentioned, it's not been nearly as much of a complaint as one might expect from seeing stuff like this other places.
Sami 16th Feb 2022, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
I break the 4th wall in my life all the time
abitenum 16th Feb 2022, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
Ky over here waging war on the 4th wall.
Anon 16th Feb 2022, 6:08 PM edit delete reply
Lol I'm glad Jocelyn did this because it's one of the mains thing that sticks out to me with this comic lol
vorpal 16th Feb 2022, 6:42 PM edit delete reply
vorpal
It's just leaning on the 4th wall.
Rue 16th Feb 2022, 9:04 AM edit delete reply
this is so unrealistic smh high school relationships dont last
Jocelyn 16th Feb 2022, 9:11 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Rue

Ah! Thank you for your contribution. I've been wondering where these comments were. XD
Mild Lee Interested 17th Feb 2022, 12:11 AM edit delete reply
Probably true most of the time, but i do know one couple who have been together more than 30 years since highschool so it's certainly possible.
Don 18th Feb 2022, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
DItto. The couple I know started dating in our senior year, got married after college, and are still happily married after 30+ years and several children.

It's rare these days, but it does happen.
Catgirl Eva 18th Feb 2022, 1:03 PM edit delete reply
Oh really? Tell that to a friend of mine who married his high school girlfriend. They've been together for over 20 years.
ValeryGraciela 16th Feb 2022, 9:07 AM edit delete reply
ValeryGraciela
Sadly, that just means that Drew x Ky Isa big no. I really feel bad for Ky.

Also, you little fourth-wall-breaking dork 😅
ChaosStar0 16th Feb 2022, 10:13 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, I thought Drew was well on his way to having those feelings.
Happy_Monkey 16th Feb 2022, 9:22 PM edit delete reply
As much as it sucks that drew X Ky didn’t work out it’s probably for the best. Drew was very much still learning and just starting to be coming out of his phase where he was ignorant and occasionally an jerk due to it. He likely wouldn’t mean malice but the amount of time the two would have spent dateing would mean a lot of patience and emotional labour on Kys part while he unlearned behaviors in a naturally slow process. This way Drew can learn at his own pace (and knowing him I’m sure he did after high school) without stressing Ky out with unavoidable conflict. I’m also really happy that this shows that Ky has learned and is capable of self care and has self-worth enough to advocate and stand up for themselves.
Syter6 16th Feb 2022, 9:34 AM edit delete reply
I like the indirect confirmation of marnel being together still....i mean, obvious, but still
Tesset 16th Feb 2022, 9:47 AM edit delete reply
I have definitely thought that about the relationships in the epilogue. Especially about Maria/Chanel - there's enough age distance there that it feels likely that they would drift apart while in different life situations. Realistically, even 6 years later, Chanel is probably still in college for another year or two, and Maria has graduated. The year of the comic is basically the only point where those two are almost in the same life situation, and even that stops when Maria has to leave her parents' house.

That said, I recognize having these established relationships break up over the intervening years would be pretty narratively unsatisfying. Realistic or not, it doesn't make a good story that fits the tone you've established.

And, honestly, of the people in my high school friend group who were in long term relationships, 3 of them married their high school sweetheart, and a fourth married the first guy she ever dated right after starting college. More of them married their high school partners than those who broke up, like 3:2 there. So it's not *that* unrealistic anyway.
Syter6 16th Feb 2022, 10:28 AM edit delete reply
Maria doesn't exactly live at her parents house anymore ;)
Some Ed 16th Feb 2022, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
I think many people in the world at large are not very good at thinking about just "people ... who were in long term relationships", so they see it as unrealistic. At least two of my brothers are included in this group (I don't think they read this comic, I certainly never told them about it because they're not people I want to spend time with.)

I graduated in 1990, so things may have changed a bit since then. But there were several people in my high school who were in long term heteronormative relationships to hide the fact they weren't straight cis people, and most of these relationships broke up during the summer and fall after graduation.

Just looking at data from my social circle, people in an alternative sexuality relationship for more than 6 months tend to be more likely to stick with their partners more than people in a heteronormative relationship for more than 6 months. That said, it's certainly not a statistically significant data pool.
WillowD 16th Feb 2022, 9:51 AM edit delete reply
WillowD
OK. I'll bite. Er... type. It's unrealistic.

And you really got me giggling. Thanks.
Zophah 16th Feb 2022, 10:02 AM edit delete reply
Yep, being gender fluid can cause relationships to be difficult. 😅
Vicky95 16th Feb 2022, 10:03 AM edit delete reply
IF YOU BREAK UP RAIN AND EMILY WE WILL RIOT... Okay not Riot but be really upset and make cookies and cry.... But we will want to Riot!
Syter6 16th Feb 2022, 3:07 PM edit delete reply
I doubt Jocelyn would break them, or marnel right?......... Right??????
Ekureina 16th Feb 2022, 10:40 AM edit delete reply
I mean, my parents met while my mom was in highschool, and they're still together. Not saying it's necessarily common, but it's not impossible to work out.
Selix 16th Feb 2022, 10:41 AM edit delete reply
We didn’t need that fourth wall anyway
PocketWraith 16th Feb 2022, 10:43 AM edit delete reply
This is so unrealistic! I am shocked and dismayed that you would thus shatter my suspension of disbeliefby presenting such a thoroughly implausible scenario!

I mean, seriously, you expect me to believe that no-one outside the core cast is discerning enough to see how much of a catch Ky is as any gender? I just don't buy it.
bgb16999 16th Feb 2022, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
bgb16999
Hell yeah meta jokes are the best!
Serra Britt 16th Feb 2022, 10:49 AM edit delete reply
Serra Britt
As a plural, I can relate to Ky really well here ^^;
Allison (not that one) 16th Feb 2022, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
Re: Ky's situation.

It seems like so many people want to force the people in their lives to change into someone who they'd rather have. You know, "my (6-month-old) son is going to be a varsity football player," or the title of that play "I love you, you're perfect. Now change." Or just saying, "I'll only like you if you are <something>." Like Drew.

Maybe I'm weird, but I kind of just enjoy people being themselves, being who they really are. (Well, as long as "who they really are" isn't some flaming a******.) I might or might not want to be living with them, I might not even really get along with them, but just because I'm not compatible with them doesn't mean I want them to tell them to change. I've seen too many people who seem to be trying to be something different from who they are and suffering (and often being nasty), and it makes me sad for them, and kinda mad at whoever brainwashed them into thinking they had to be that way. Maybe it's a sore point for me because I grew up being constantly told that who and how I was was bad and I should just stop it and be the someone else who would be more convenient for them, and -- 50 years later -- I'm still trying to recover from it.

As for plural people, I've met a few, but can't say I've gotten to know them well. I'm just guessing, but I wonder if a lot of the problem for them with finding someone(s) to have a relationship with is that so many people out there seem to demand that their "soulmate" be a certain way. A lot of singlet-singlet relationships break up over this. I would think it would be an even bigger issue in a singlet-plural relationship. (I'm not all that familiar with plurality, so I hope I haven't mangled the terminology too much.)

Emily (also not that one) 17th Feb 2022, 7:54 AM edit delete reply
Terms used are perfectly fine, and every plurality/system is different.

As far as Plural relationships go, there is a similar fear of the singlet partner only getting along with one alter or specific alters.
DoctrDoc 16th Feb 2022, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
I UNCONDITIONALLY LOVE KYILE COVEN IN EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY NO MATTER THEIR CURRENT GENDER EXPRESSION OR IDENTITY! They're one of my favorite characters, and they deserve to hear it.
Kyle 16th Feb 2022, 11:13 AM edit delete reply
"Almost all?" I wonder who's broken up.
Tesset 16th Feb 2022, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
Drew/Ky, most prominently, but also Alison/Rain, arguably Rudy/Rain & Emily/her several boyfriends.
Guest 16th Feb 2022, 5:35 PM edit delete reply
I read it as, Kylie maybe knew some other people in high school besides the friends who are in the comic (although I think I remember them saying they weren't really close to anyone at their own high school). Rain/Rudy and the others all broke up before graduation. (Alison/Rain was never a thing; Alison is straight and Rain responded to her confession by coming out to her as trans.) Heck, Gavin & Maria probably appeared the most like stereotypical high school sweethearts and they _never_ were!
It's possible Devin/Holly broke up, but I'm secretly rooting for them. Idk if we'll see Blair or his partners
Peri 16th Feb 2022, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
Rudy, he doesn't have a highschool sweetheart 'side from Rain. If they're still in contact with Drew, then he would count as well. It's possible Maria and Chanel have broken up too
Chrissy 16th Feb 2022, 7:06 PM edit delete reply
As far as Rudy, go back a few pages. It's confirmed that he and Ryan are seeing each other....
Peri 16th Feb 2022, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
oh dang youre right i forgot. *technically* they werent dating until after ryan graduated hehe
dont think that makes ky feel any better though
Absentia 16th Feb 2022, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
keep in mind Ky went to a different school. she didn't like it much, but she could very well have made a couple of friends there, especially in her senior year.
Elfi 16th Feb 2022, 11:25 AM edit delete reply
Gavin is staring into our soooouuuls
K.C. 16th Feb 2022, 12:17 PM edit delete reply
Ky: No one loves or understands me the way I need them to.
Me: Cribbing Ky for use in my own name.

It's been great to have a good genderfluid character. Thank you for writing them ^_^
Absentia 16th Feb 2022, 11:31 PM edit delete reply
Ky is actually how i managed to come to terms with my own genderfluidity. they are by far my favorite character in the comic.
Sanmei 16th Feb 2022, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
Oh no...! The comic is becoming self-aware! XD
Xiane 16th Feb 2022, 4:38 PM edit delete reply
Ana is never gonna turn you down.... unless you propose with that neck beard still hugging your jawline. :P
Fourth Nate 16th Feb 2022, 5:13 PM edit delete reply
Oof, I feel that.
Unrelated, but Gavin's chinstrap beard just screams "I'm a man in my early twenties who could never grow facial hair before" to me
Dawn T 16th Feb 2022, 5:19 PM edit delete reply
I have to say, "everyone marries their high school sweetheart" is a trope that REALLY gets on my nerves, but somehow I still haven't been bothered. (Yes, I know that they are not all married yet and we don't know if any of them even are married at all.) It probably doesn't bother me because I actually ship 'em all, and they aren't all having children, and I'm actually happy that the couples I like are still together!
Alex 16th Feb 2022, 6:22 PM edit delete reply
Gonna be honest, it's kinda depressing that not a single character is single and happy. All the couples seem great but would it kill for someone to be satisfied with what theyre doing without a partner?
Jocelyn 16th Feb 2022, 7:59 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Alex

Actually, Jessica is not currently in a relationship at this moment. I haven't gone into the full details yet, but I mean to imply she's just focused on herself right now. Mind, she'll probably want to date again someday, but it's low priority for her at this moment.

But I assume you mean you're wondering about the lack of a specifically aromantic character? For that, I'm sorry. It's one of those orientations I unfortunately never quite worked into Rain. That said, it is something I'm interested in writing into future stories. I hope you'll look forward to it when the time comes. :)

Infected Genes 16th Feb 2022, 8:09 PM edit delete reply
Infected Genes
THIS IS TOTALLY UNREALISTIC...
TK-Dragon 16th Feb 2022, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
I don't think Ky is referring to Drew with those conditions. I feel like Drew was coming to be chill with whatever Ky was at the time. But remember over 6 years, it's very likely it has happened to them several times more over. So their feelings are likely because of various other relationships over that 6 years.
Guest 17th Feb 2022, 5:57 AM edit delete reply
Whelp, this is a webcomic. And honestly, as a 23 year old genderfluid person, I very much feel them. Finding someone who 100% respects your identity is hard. Love everyone, but not a lot of people seem to love you, which sucks. But also being 23, still feels young to marry. At least for me. Maybe it’s just my generation. Or just my family. My parents didn’t marry until they were dating for almost 9 years, and didn’t have me until their 30s. Also the thought of me or anybody my friends getting married right now freaks me out.
Cluedrew 17th Feb 2022, 8:05 AM edit delete reply
> And because of that - combined with my insufferable optimism - I'm sure Ky will find that special someone someday too.

Aren't you the author? You actually get to make that call.

Realistic or not I'm glad things are going generally well for the characters with a few road-bumps scattered in. Like Ky's dating record or Ana's employment status.
JaxRhapsody 24th Feb 2022, 9:06 AM edit delete reply
I would definately date Ky.
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