Comic 1468 - Serious Relationships(?)

9th Feb 2022, 9:17 AM in Ch. 44 - And When the Rain Clears...
Serious Relationships(?)
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Jocelyn 9th Feb 2022, 9:17 AM edit delete
On the last page, people were looking at Kellen's side eye and talking a lot about what it might mean. Is it frustration? Is it boredom? Is it guilt? Turns out it's shyness, and awareness that this conversation was likely imminent after Aiken started talking about his girlfriend.

I'm sure there's a lot of questions. Like how? And when? And why? Perhaps also WHAT!? Some of these may be answered next time, and some may not.

I hate to say I expect a some apprehension here too. Partly because "yet another person is coming out" (which, honestly, after 11 years of this comic, everyone should really be used to by now), and partly because of "who it is". Either way, I expect people will be sharing a lot of different opinions. All I ask, whether you like this development or hate it, is that you please be respectful of others.

Thank you. And I hope you like it. :)

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Sessy 9th Feb 2022, 9:36 AM edit delete reply
Oooooh the plot thickens!
Alaris 9th Feb 2022, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
Wow.... I did.... not see that coming.

That said, I like that character development from her. Seeing her going from transphobic and (if I remember correctly), somewhat homophobic to.... well, at the very least, Bi is... well, true to life.

Honestly, I'm not apprehensive about the "yet another person coming out", as you said in the commentary. This is a story about LGBT+ folks, and their allies. They tend to congregate together, or find each other.... so while unexpected, this is definitely welcome.

I'm sure her relationship with Heather helped her come to terms with a lot of things.
ValeryGraciela 9th Feb 2022, 9:45 AM edit delete reply
I'm in complete shock! I honestly did NOT expect this!

Not that I'm not loving it. Actually, I'm extremely happy, but yes, it's a shocking surprise! I'm crying and shaking in excitement! 🥰
Jenn 9th Feb 2022, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
I'm not surprised at all. Somehow, it actually makes sense, though I think that might just be because I'm so used to people being queer that I expect it at this point. Regardless, it's definitely cute and I'm here for it.
Happy-monkey 9th Feb 2022, 7:13 PM edit delete reply
Same about the shock. I never expected this twist. I don’t hate it personally but I don’t love it either. It just feels a little out of left field. They did connect when Heather called her out for being judgmental. But to me that read more of just a good heap of tough friend love not a hint of romance. I’m surprised too because Heather is really protective of Ky, so having someone around who when they first met openly speaks ill of trans people in front of friends and family then defects it (she blamed Jess stopping by unannounced for her behavior) just doesn’t seem like her to me. Heather must have a high level of patience to even started to hang around Kellen, and Kellen must have grown a metric ton before Heather even thought about dateing her.

Also if she’s dateing Heather how has Rain not caught wind of this already? Has she just not been hanging out with Ky at all? It seems with Ky being trans/genderqueer their sister dating a former transphobic might have been something that would have been a stressful outcome at first. Even if Kellen has grown to a safe point and Heather can trust her, doesn’t mean she had earned Kys trust,
. 10th Feb 2022, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
It's been 6 years and Ky is might not be living with Heather anymore. Also, Ky never went to Rain's school in the first place, so they probably never got in touch
Leona 10th Feb 2022, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
It's also something to remember that she was offered therapy and help understanding queer experiences by Vincent. So there's a good chance that also played a part.

There is a good chance that Heather calling her judgemental was tough friend love, but with a 6 year gap there's a lot of time for stuff to change, and for them to have gotten romantic feelings for each other after that conversation.
Samantha Pettengill 9th Feb 2022, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Arkfall 9th Feb 2022, 9:46 AM edit delete reply
Wow, I did NOT see that coming! From enemies to lovers. Huh!
LadyBonBon 9th Feb 2022, 9:48 AM edit delete reply
Hey! First comment I’ve ever left here, but I love your comic to death!
Noraa 9th Feb 2022, 9:50 AM edit delete reply
Guest 9th Feb 2022, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
Yooooo I was honestly expecting that Kellen was gonna reveal to be LGBTQ+ in some way in this chapter! Cool!
Jay ayyyyy 9th Feb 2022, 10:01 AM edit delete reply
I kinda wonder is Heather being intersex and her sibling being genderfluid helped Kellen overcome some prejudice. She’s learning that sex doesn’t define gender through Heather and that gender is a complex thing out of our control to change through Ky.
Oz 9th Feb 2022, 4:07 PM edit delete reply
She was also doing a bit of therapy with Vincent at one point, maybe she also kept going
SpiltMilk64 9th Feb 2022, 10:15 AM edit delete reply
OKAAAAYYY. And I thought Mr. Bryer's letter was shocking.
Tokuben 9th Feb 2022, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
did not expect that but WOW.
Quill 9th Feb 2022, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
Things i did not expect but an inordinately pleased by: this!
LadyAnastasia 9th Feb 2022, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
Huh. Panels 5 & 6 are really cute? From her?
Vikki McD 9th Feb 2022, 10:48 AM edit delete reply
The thick plottens!
Selix 9th Feb 2022, 10:55 AM edit delete reply
Dude, she’s a lesbian.
Jayfur365 9th Feb 2022, 11:19 AM edit delete reply
XD that almost beats "lesbian, she's a dude"
evagrimm 9th Feb 2022, 11:56 AM edit delete reply
Perfect response lol. Made my day, thanks!
Jenn 9th Feb 2022, 12:44 PM edit delete reply
Not necessarily! She could be bi!
SpiltMilk64 10th Feb 2022, 10:19 PM edit delete reply
Dude, it's a joke.
Aiken 10th Feb 2022, 5:10 PM edit delete reply
Lesbian, she's a Lesbian.
Emily 9th Feb 2022, 10:59 AM edit delete reply
Cute! But I'm guessing it's very downlow and casual if Ky didnt know about it and mention something to Rain. Or maybe they don't know Rain and Kellen are siblings and so never broughtit up? I can't remember if they're one of the few that's actually met her before the hair incident.
Leona 9th Feb 2022, 12:02 PM edit delete reply
I don't think that Ky has met Kellen face to face before that, so it could be that they didn't recognize Kellen as Rain's sister. But that feels a little unlikely as Kellen and Rain do look rather similar. So I'd probably lean towards Kellen and Heather keeping their relationship low key, perhaps also waiting for Kellen to actually reconcile with Rain so that it wouldn't be a complete shock to Rain that might upset her.
Long-Time Lurker 9th Feb 2022, 12:47 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, keeping it quiet was my thought too -- Ky definitely would have mentioned it to Rain. Perhaps Heather is being cautious of introducing her to Ky if she knows some of the history of how she reacted to Rain?
chrystal_dark 9th Feb 2022, 1:14 PM edit delete reply
Chase (Emily's ex) (in the story, not yours... ;-) ) thought that Rain was Kellen, so it's unlikely that Ky wouldn't notice the similarity, IMO. It's also possible that Ky has been sworn to secrecy. After all, one of the cardinal rules all through the story is "You Must Not 'Out' Someone Without Their Consent", and for Ky to tell Rain would be to "out" Kellen.

I'm wondering how much Heather openly, frankly and honestly telling Kellen what she thought on Prom Night might have had to do with it.
MoonWingJ 9th Feb 2022, 11:00 AM edit delete reply
Wow. Kellen x Heather. Did not see that coming.

Still gonna ship them tho
Tesset 9th Feb 2022, 11:14 AM edit delete reply
You know, I wonder if it is actually casual, and Aiken is just teasing Kellen, or whether it actually is serious? All we know is that Heather preferred casual relationships before, so is this like that or is it more??

I accidentally typed Hellen in there once, and I guess that's the ship name isn't it lol. I wonder if you can cajole "of Troy" out of their combined last names lol
Leona 9th Feb 2022, 12:15 PM edit delete reply
My guess is that while it's not super serious on the level of like them both being fully committed to getting married, that it's more serious than just a casual fling.

Considering that iirc Heather's more casual approach was typically more like one off instances with people (see: her incident with Fara lol). So if they're like a couple I'm guessing that they're at least somewhat serious even if not 100% committed to being with each other forever.
Jayfur365 9th Feb 2022, 11:20 AM edit delete reply
I sort of love kellen now
Leona 9th Feb 2022, 11:58 AM edit delete reply
This is 100% a surprise, but definitely a welcome one. And I think it also does a lot to give new context to a lot of the things we saw of Kellen previously.

The string of bad luck in trying to find a boyfriend very early on jumps out. As well as probably plays at least a part into her transphobia, that she couldn't accept the idea of Rain as a woman because it was rubbing up against the tension in her own mind about why she also felt like she was ignoring a part of herself. So seeing Rain as a woman basically was taken as a direct challenge to her own internalized refusal to acknowledge that what she was doing didn't feel right and refusal to want to change because she's scared.

Obviously that doesn't erase any transphobia, but I think it provides an insight into her character and at least part of the motivation for why she acted out in the way she did. She felt compelled to act out and reject Rain so that she wouldn't have to confront her own discomfort with her identity.

And I would suspect that it's the case that her coming to terms with that and then starting to date Heather is also what spurred her to want to reach out and talk to Rain, and apologize for her really messing up and lashing out.
Some Ed 9th Feb 2022, 2:03 PM edit delete reply
Yes. There's an awful lot of that which goes around. It's certainly not all the hate that flows in the world, but it's not a small part of it.

That whole "I'm upset because you're showing me that I can be comfortable but doing that would require me to change" thing, and maybe some shades of "and other people who are like I am right now wouldn't like me, because clearly I don't like people suggesting to me that I could be what I want to be."

Also, a lot of the time, that's at an unanalyzed level with no conscious awareness, because when one has stuff like that going on, introspection is incredibly uncomfortable. Introspection is usually something that people can put off, and they have a lot of motivation to do that.
Cutezoeymonster 9th Feb 2022, 12:00 PM edit delete reply
I love this Heather was the first person to really get her to open up and probably because Heather also kind of had to go through some shit like this. I wouldn't even say this came straight out of left field because they only had the one they're action but it a interesting interaction. And since I know Jessica and Heather were never going to get together I'm just happy for Heather I want her to have all the happiness
Chrissy 9th Feb 2022, 12:29 PM edit delete reply
Well, I wasn't completely convinced of that, especially considering how Heather learned Jessica's secret, and thus chose to reveal her own...
j-eagle12212012 9th Feb 2022, 12:06 PM edit delete reply

Well that's an unexpected but very welcome development
bgb16999 9th Feb 2022, 12:36 PM edit delete reply
I am completely shocked but I like this outcome!
Julie 9th Feb 2022, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
I called this in my head last chapter oh my god
Ryleigh 9th Feb 2022, 1:20 PM edit delete reply
Oh how the turn tables
Draca 9th Feb 2022, 1:21 PM edit delete reply
I Love how red Kellen's getting in the last panel x3

Getting that embarrassed about it shows how much she actually cares, and Aiken confirming that its totally serious, despite her trying to downplay it because she knows how Rain's gonna get X3

God, I Love this interaction between the siblings.
Long-Time Lurker 10th Feb 2022, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Yessss. Absolutely adoring the sibling vibes in the last panel.
Dzaka 9th Feb 2022, 2:18 PM edit delete reply
well figures some of Kellen's actions in the past were a healthy dose of self hate for not being "normal". i'm happy she's coming to terms with herself tho
Absentia 9th Feb 2022, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
i will admit... never would have expected that...

i mean, Heather getting with a girl was almost inevitable.

but Kellen... i'm interested in seeing where you take this.
TK-Dragon 9th Feb 2022, 2:42 PM edit delete reply
Though it seems super unexpected. To be fair, it has been SIX YEARS. Which is quite a long time and a lot can happen. It seemed before like Heather was willing to help Kellen. Maybe they even had a drunk makeout session or something and it went from there, Heather has a record.
Oz 9th Feb 2022, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
I did think that Kellen must have changed a lot but I did not expect her to be bi ! my god this b@tch is gay ! good for her, good for her !
Oz 9th Feb 2022, 3:05 PM edit delete reply
You really surprised me I though Jessica would be with Heather by the end haha
Guest 9th Feb 2022, 3:28 PM edit delete reply
small issue with the last panel. If Heather and Kellen got married. Rain would be Ky's aunt. Which would just be funny in its own way.
Sentimental rabbit, 9th Feb 2022, 7:22 PM edit delete reply
Nope they would be siblings. Heather is Kys older sister she’s just raising Ky because they don’t have any parents. If Heather and Kellen were to sail on into marriage Rain and Ky would be Siblings in Law,
DocMesa 9th Feb 2022, 4:53 PM edit delete reply
Reading the comment about "Yet another person coming out" it's almost as though figuring yourself is complicated and takes quite a lot of time. ;)
Xalofar 9th Feb 2022, 6:59 PM edit delete reply
WHAT?!? Heather ?!? Heather is not with Jessica?!?
TK-Dragon 10th Feb 2022, 10:26 AM edit delete reply
I didnt think they'd have ended up together. Especially considering how that one page made it pretty clear they were friendzoned with each other. Also wasnt confirmed if Jessica was actually into women.
Syter6 10th Feb 2022, 4:28 PM edit delete reply
It was actually confirmed that jessica was not, and was only straight on this page
Serana 9th Feb 2022, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
Kellen went tsundere on Rain there at the end, lol.
Not_Brice 9th Feb 2022, 8:22 PM edit delete reply
In the words of Rudy The Wise, "dude, she's a lesbian"
arkathenia 9th Feb 2022, 8:33 PM edit delete reply
Omg I seriously did not expect this! This is so gay and adorable ^^ <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Terra 10th Feb 2022, 12:26 AM edit delete reply
Well I definitely did not see that coming, and I am glad that what I expected wasn't it. Which was if Kellen turned out to be trans as well. While it wouldn't be the most horrible turn, I am glad you didn't go that for the root of her being awful to her sister.
lily (probably) 10th Feb 2022, 12:28 AM edit delete reply
I didn't even realize until I read the comments that this pairing was a big deal. I was like "Kellen with Heather... okay, cool, why is she embarrassed and why is Rain in shock?" and it didn't even occur to me that there was a major "coming out" occurring!
girly 10th Feb 2022, 12:32 AM edit delete reply
this story has more plot twists then anything i ever seen OMG like first rains real dad mr bryer and now this but this fits so much since kellen in what i think is her first scene in the comic she said for fara to meet the neihbors and heather was one and in vincents flashback she said why is aunt fara dating a girl and now SHE is dating a girl!!!! but like how long was that was this why heather and ky moved out? just wow this is a twist but its perfect but i hope kellen is understanding of ky being genderfluid like i hope this means kellen has no transphobia anymore but wow just wow i cant wait to see how this goes
Lexilou 10th Feb 2022, 1:31 AM edit delete reply
And here I thought that Heather was going to end up with Jessica. Nice twist Jocelyn. Didn't see this one coming.
Damoinion 10th Feb 2022, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
Well, that I did not expect!
I wonder how long, (if at all), she was in denial and whether or not that influenced her reaction to Rain's coming out?
Lemonado Girl 10th Feb 2022, 1:57 AM edit delete reply
Lemonado Girl
Now this is a story I'm interested in hearing a little more about. Also, Rain's excitement at this whole thing is absolutely precious.
Phrown 10th Feb 2022, 4:13 AM edit delete reply
I’m fine with this. People discover new facets of their sexuality all the time. This also means Heather has stopped going for casual relationships.

This could serve as a segue to see how Ky is doing.
someone_else 10th Feb 2022, 4:19 AM edit delete reply
While I love this comic, it seldom had me laughing out loud like this revelation.
RandomWalk 10th Feb 2022, 8:58 AM edit delete reply
I have known a couple of people who would act 'homophobic'
and then turned out to be gay. It seems to be, for some, a reaction to being
unable to accept their own feeling, because they have been taught, or at
least picked up from their social circle, that those feelings are "wrong".
So they have a sharp fear of their own internal feelings that they haven't
learned to accept yet, and express it by lashing out at those who DO
express those sorts of feelings openly. That doesn't make it pleasant for
anyone, but I suppose it could be considered preferable to being deeply
depressed and suicidal. Because, ( again, for SOME people ) the acting
out can lead to them having to confront their own feelings and come to
terms with them. Others, for some reason, just make themselves numb,
and seem to accept all sorts of double standards in their life. And some
start blaming those feelings for all the bad stuff that happens in their life,
and start 'self medicating' with drugs or alcohol, and spiraling into a REALLY
bad place. I lost a REALLY close friend who I THOUGHT had found
self acceptance and happiness, and seemed on a road to what looked to me
as REAL success, and when a relationship ended, just spiraled down,
out of control. Still get really bummed about that at times.
Mild Lee Interested 10th Feb 2022, 9:23 AM edit delete reply
So! Frikken! Cute!
This was a really welcome surprise and I, too, laughed out loud.
Embarrassed Kellen is sort of adorable.
Maybe the damage she did can be repaired a little.
LoganAura 10th Feb 2022, 11:29 AM edit delete reply
Honestly with the amount of people I know who have had siblings turn out to also be LGBTIQAP+ it's like. Not surprising to me. You learn that there's more options out there, and especially if you're aiming to be "supportive" and actually do your research regarding it, your own self identity gets a bit... challenged for lack of a better word, cause you're more open.
Skitty 10th Feb 2022, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
I did it, i caught up on the entire comic. i loved every page. I'll be followng for the ending :)
Pseudonym 10th Feb 2022, 3:38 PM edit delete reply
Since you mention it, it feels a bit odd that Kellen's joining the club, but mostly I'm preoccupied with how magnificently spiky the Flaherties' hair is.
iHateFridays 10th Feb 2022, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
Aww cute XD
Gabi 11th Feb 2022, 7:39 AM edit delete reply
I was sort of expecting Kellen to be dating a woman, seeing how things were going. I was NOT expecting her to be dating Heather. A lot must have been going on without Rain knowing.
ThisTransGuy 12th Feb 2022, 7:38 AM edit delete reply

I really appreciate this discovery it shows that (I’m not excusing this) but that sometimes acting transphobic and homophonic is just a mask.

Though I do not forgive Hellen for what she did but people do mask up these feelings

I personally pretended that I was clueless about the LGBTQIA2S+ community even though the opposite was true😅)

So thank you for creating this world we’re I could see myself threw it.🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈
Tepro 13th Feb 2022, 8:51 AM edit delete reply
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
ElyIndigo 13th Feb 2022, 12:37 PM edit delete reply
Nah I think it makes sense. It's pretty common for transphobia/homophobia to come from internalized guilt. Also, I don't care what people say, queerness runs in families. My sister and I are both trans and gay and my mom is probably bi.
Anon 13th Feb 2022, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
I feel like this makes a fair amount of sense given previous chapters lol
RangerVI 19th Feb 2022, 1:45 PM edit delete reply
When you said "yet another person is coming out" I had to go back and read the page again, because I guess my brain just didn't want to try to process that the first time through (or maybe I just didn't realize the significance because everything I read these days is gay).
Uh... wow... I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this yet....
Crocadino 7th May 2022, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
Holy cow, am I the only one who's not surprised?! Ever since Heather talked about how she saw some of herself in Kellen, with her having a hard time accepting that her sister was trans and gender stuff was confusing, which made her a bitch to Ky when they were expressing themself like Rain was.

Heather grew as a person and become a better person for Ky and herself. She said she saw herself in Kellen, that doesn't mean she just saw the bad in herself but the in herself for Kellen.

I just wish I could've seen their relationship bloom as Heather helped Kellen better herself with knowledge and fall in love while doing soo ಥ_ಥ
Definitely Ship it! Keather or Hellen? Definitely 🚢💕Keather💕🚢♡(> ਊ <)♡
Person 5th Sep 2022, 9:59 PM edit delete reply
I did not expect that...
But i was expecting to not expect something so it doesn't count
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