Comic 1089 - Troll

12th Oct 2018, 10:39 AM in Ch. 36 - New Directions
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Jocelyn 12th Oct 2018, 10:39 AM edit delete
One thing that can be said about Rudy: he's not lying. Still probably a troll, but not a liar. XD

And for those of you who may be forgetting what's going on and don't get this, Colette did come out as a trans boycome out as a trans boy to Rudy fairly recently.

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Kyle 12th Oct 2018, 10:55 AM edit delete reply
"Colette" looks so pretty smiling and flashing that peace sign. When he becomes a boy, I guarantee he'll be drop-dead gorgeous!😍
Jay 12th Oct 2018, 3:16 PM edit delete reply
"Becomes a boy" he already is a boy
Amy 12th Oct 2018, 8:20 PM edit delete reply

"Becomes a boy" just remove the "Be" and put an "out as" in
front of the "a" and you're set.
Kyle 13th Oct 2018, 1:26 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, my bad. I didn't realize my mistake until later.
Ciary 12th Oct 2018, 11:10 AM edit delete reply
ok, it isn't a lie, but the way rudy correcting is very much trolling. He knows full well that gavin is gonna interpret that answer as something else. Gavin has no reason to suspect Colette is a trans boy
Mo 12th Oct 2018, 11:42 AM edit delete reply
Though, seriously, with the track record their circle of friends has, he really should expect any new (possible) addition to fall somewhere on any of those lovely little spectrums...
Jocelyn 12th Oct 2018, 12:18 PM edit delete reply

You might say Gavin just suffers the old "cis het fallacy". It seems people who are themselves cis het - allies and phobes alike - will always assume everyone else is too unless proven otherwise.

If Gavin ever finds out, I'm sure he'll be like, "In hindsight, I probably should've seen this coming from a mile away." But then I'd also put money on him making the exact same mistake again the inevitable next time. XD
Drake Zephyr 12th Oct 2018, 2:33 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
Trust me, us cis people are always confused. It's only natural to be. We make TONS of mistakes when it comes to trans people.
Ciary 12th Oct 2018, 3:17 PM edit delete reply
I'm gender-fluid and even I don't exactly think of people being possibly trans, really ^_^ so it doesn't only affect cis people.
Drake Zephyr 12th Oct 2018, 5:20 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
Isn't Trans and umbrella term that also includes gender fluid?
Some Ed 15th Oct 2018, 10:19 AM edit delete reply
Umbrella terms that include both trans and gender fluid include gender queer, gender non-conforming, and queer. I know some trans people who also call themselves gender fluid, but I also know some gender fluid people who are pretty emphatic about not being trans. Different words mean different things to different people, so my attempt to define terms will not apply to all people who use them.

But it seems to me that the people I know who call themselves trans want to have a more or less consistent presentation that they give the world that does not match their gender assigned at birth. They may feel some flux in how firmly they feel in touch with that presentation, but it's accurate much more frequently than their gender assigned at birth.

Gender fluid people who want to distance themselves from the trans label generally either wish to maintain a typical presentation that matches their gender assigned at birth, though their internal feelings on exactly how appropriate that is change from day to day or even moment to moment, or they're like Ky and can't settle on a presentation, so there's no transition they could work to have a more stable presentation.
Emma 12th Oct 2018, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
In fairness to gavin in this particular instance, "assuming rudy is trolling him even when he says he's not" isn't an unreasonable assumption

And, really, he is still trolling
Ki 12th Oct 2018, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
I dunno. Might just need to let Gavin mull this one over.
robin 14th Oct 2018, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
" You might say Gavin just suffers the old "cis het fallacy". It seems people who are themselves cis het - allies and phobes alike - will always assume everyone else is too unless proven otherwise. "

Outside of webcomics and other queer-concentrating venues, that *is* the way to bet.
Rei 20th Oct 2018, 11:23 AM edit delete reply
Honestly, unless I'm in a queer space I'm probably going to assume most everyone is cisgender because most people are. In LGBT spaces I would try not to assume either way.

As far as labels are concerned, there is also a matter of the label being able to describe you and self identifying as that label. People don't always want to self identify as part of a broader label or may feel too different from the larger group for the label to be meaningful.

You see this with other labels beyond gender fluid. There are plenty of people who are "attracted to two or more genders" but prefer not to identify as bisexual. Some people want a narrower label that fits more exactly. There are also even broader labels like queer that people may not like having applied to them.

In the case of being gender queer I can understand how someone might feel distant from say a binary trans experience.
Anzi 12th Oct 2018, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
Though is it really appropriate for Rudy to be potentially outing someone without permission, even if it’s to an ally?
Sarah 12th Oct 2018, 1:47 PM edit delete reply
I suppose there's a fine line between not wanting to misgender someone, and not wanting to out them.
Sarah 12th Oct 2018, 1:48 PM edit delete reply
And then there's just Rudy wanting to be trollish to confuse Gavin.
Drake Zephyr 12th Oct 2018, 2:38 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
I know this one gut named Alex who doesn't even try to use the right pro-nouns when it ain't even that hard to remember. He calls this guy Kyle a "SHE" a lot, and our DM April a "He" sometimes. He only sord of tries when we are talking to em. Though every time in discord when he called Kyle a she, we would all yell out simultaneously "HE!" It was kinda funny.
Drake Zephyr 12th Oct 2018, 2:31 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
I finally told my mom I'm polyromantic, and the first thing she says is. "So your bi?" Yeah my mom doesn't know anything besides gay, bi, and straight. It's actually for me more like I can date non-females because I care a lot more about people's emotions, personalities and intellect with gender not being a significant factor. If anything the types I'm most attracted to are gender fluid people.
Fox 12th Oct 2018, 3:33 PM edit delete reply
This is great, I can't wait till Gavin figures it out. Rudy isn't outing Collette, he's just not misgendering him.
Guest 13th Oct 2018, 1:16 AM edit delete reply
Do any other gender fluid people sometimes feel disgusted in your self when you are presenting as your assigned gender about when you feel the other(s)? Or is that just me?
Ciary 15th Oct 2018, 9:12 AM edit delete reply
sometimes yes. so it isn't just you. I try not to think about it.
Selix 12th Nov 2021, 8:38 PM edit delete reply
Not genderfluid afaik, but that sounds totally normal. That’s a form of dysphoria right?
bgb16999 13th Oct 2018, 1:39 AM edit delete reply
I've been thinking recently about why most of the main cast are going to a Catholic high school which doesn't accept them. Of course, the real reason is probably that the author went to a Catholic school and chose a setting she was familiar with, but I am thinking about the in-universe reasons.

Most high school students have to go to whatever school their parents decide to send them to, so the real question is why the main casts' parents decided to send them to this school. In the case of Maria and Rudy, we know why their parents decided to send them to this school, since it was a major part of the plot. The reason Chanel is in St. Hallvard was also revealed in Chapter 22: her parents thought she would get less bullying in a Catholic school than in a public school. They were wrong, but they didn't realize their error until well into the school year. I think it's probably a safe bet that Chanel will be transferring to public school next year (after the story ends).

For the rest of the cast, here are my guesses as to why they are not in a public school.

For Rain, my headcanon early on was that Fara applied to jobs at a bunch of high schools, and St. Hallvard was the one that offered her a job. High school art teacher positions aren't easy to come by, especially as some public schools are cutting their art departments entirely. Rain would then have had a choice between going to a public school without Fara, or a private school with Fara, and chose the latter. Awhile ago, I thought Jocelyn had offered an explanation in the comments that was similar to my headcanon, but I can't find it now so I may be misremembering.

Colette's parents are stated to be wildly transphobic. We don't know if they cite religious dogma for their transphobia, but it is at least plausible that his parents liked Father Quenton's ideology. Of course, they are in a different position than the Strongwell parents, since they don't know their son is queer (or that they have a son).

I think it's also likely that a lot of the queerphobic students in the supporting cast, like Todd, Rob, or Debbie, are in part repeating queerphobic rhetoric of their parents. We know Rob's dad is biphobic, at least.

Then there is Emily. Emily's mom doesn't seem like a fundamentalist Catholic. I am basing that assertion on the fact that she tells Emily to get an abortion, which we know is contrary to what Quenton wants. However, we do know that her mother greatly values wealth, or at least the appearance of being wealthy. My headcanon is that Emily's mom looked up what the most expensive private school in the area was, and decided to send Emily there. She could have done this without bothering to check whether it was actually a good school, and without asking Emily if she actually wanted to go there.

For Ana, it's possible that Ana's dad made the same mistake as Chanel's parents in thinking that a private school would be better. Also, Ana transferred mid-year, and maybe she thought that a private school would be better about transfer credits (especially since Ana has previously lost a year of schooling due to needing to move).

Gavin I'm really not sure about. One possibility is that his parents thought that the public Centerville High School isn't very good, and thought that St. Hallvard is better academically. I know there are many people in Catholic schools who aren't very religious, just because their parents (usually incorrectly) suspect that it would be better than a public school. Also, since Gavin isn't queer, he's less at risk here than the rest of the main cast is.
SamanthaJane 15th Oct 2018, 7:25 PM edit delete reply
Little mishap there within the description! The link repeats as plain text right after.
Drake Zephyr 10th Jun 2021, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
What's going on right here, kinda happened to me lately. Like me being Rudy in the situation.
Gabibutcher 2nd Dec 2021, 5:10 AM edit delete reply
I really like how Rudy manages to be a troll while saying the truth and being respectful to Colette
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