Comic 968 - Prince

3rd Jul 2017, 2:57 PM in Ch. 33 - The Calm
Prince
Average Rating: 5 (3 votes)
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Jocelyn 3rd Jul 2017, 2:57 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
Much like that one time when Emily took interest in a girl-love comic, and it featured my own characters from some other story, the depiction of Save the Prince is also a reference to another work of mine. Unlike last time though, I don't think I've ever shown these characters anywhere before. In fact, the original subject matter, actually called Save the Princess, I think may've only been mentioned once in passing like a year ago (and only on DeviantArt). So, this one may be obscure, but as canon pairings between two guys go, this was the first to come to mind.

'Course, now it's fresh in my mind, so maybe I'll mention it again soon? ;)

Also, there's actually a fair bit of relevant plot and character stuff on this page here too. What're you taking from it?

(Next time: scene switch!)


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Guest 3rd Jul 2017, 3:12 PM edit delete reply
Oh, come on, don't be fucking with Rudy now.
Jocelyn 3rd Jul 2017, 3:30 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Guest

Care to elaborate? I don't know how to interpret this comment.
Jayson 3rd Jul 2017, 4:37 PM edit delete reply
I think they meant as in Ana.
At least I hope so
Phantomgal 3rd Jul 2017, 3:41 PM edit delete reply
I actually know a girl who would gladly buy something like that. She looks at a couple characters, most of the time two guys, and ships them. Even if in the show/comic/etc. They are in a Canon, heterosexual relationship. She even told me that she never ships one boy with a girl, and rarely ever two girls
Hope 3rd Jul 2017, 11:55 PM edit delete reply
The majority of people I know are like this, sadly. It makes me super uncomfortable. People who do that are fetishizing relationships consising of two men, which sucks, while also silencing the community of women who love other women. It's really sad to see and is especially distasteful. There's a handful of people who use this to their advantage and queerbait the targeted female audience because executives KNOW so many girls do this, as messed up as it is on both parts. I just wish people would treat couples consisting of two (or more!) people of the same gender normally.
Fox 4th Jul 2017, 8:06 PM edit delete reply
While your point is valid, I disagree that it's necessarily a case of fetishism for most people, though it may be for some. I think for many people it's a case of more enjoying seeing couples consisting of people they are attracted to, either sexually, romantically, or both. It's like how many straight men enjoy seeing two women, often female women, together and when asked, most straight men watch porn simply to see the sexual experiences of the women or female preformers. It's the same reason straight women often enjoy gay porn. It's also why gay men usually prefer gay porn and lesbians usually prefer lesbian porn. People enjoy seeing couples paired together, in fiction and in real life, that they find attractive. It's human nature.
Samantha 5th Jul 2017, 1:18 PM edit delete reply
Fetishism is actually the word.

A fetish is a fixation with something that one is attached to. Women commonly have a fetish for seeing men with other men. Many men have a fetish for lesbians. These things don't necessarily reflect sexuality, as evidenced by gay men who like straight porn.

https://www.attn.com/stories/6308/why-gay-men-watch-straight-porn
Fox 5th Jul 2017, 2:33 PM edit delete reply
Samantha, again, I point out that the existence of fetishism in some people doesn't make it a fetish in all people. Let me ask you this, if it's always a fetish for a woman to watch gay porn or enjoy depictions of gay couples then is it always one when gay men watch gay porn or enjoy depictions of gay couples? What does the sex or gender of the viewer have to do with their reasons for enjoying it? Are only gay people allowed to like gay porn? As for gay men watching straight porn, I did not say doesn't happen, just that it's not the usual most of the time. Now, looking at your example and your arguement, what then does that mean about gay men watching straight porn? Does that mean they are fetising straight people? This argument to me is problematic because it ascribes the worst possible motives to people and pathologizes their interests without any evidence that this is the case for even a majority of people. Really think about what this boils down to because to me, it boils down to if you enjoy reading or seeing depictions of a group of people you're not a part of, in a sexual context or otherwise, because there's no evidence it's always sexual either, then you're alwsy fetising them. Do you see the problem with broad generalizations like this?
Fox 5th Jul 2017, 2:40 PM edit delete reply
Samanth, I also wanted to add, you're example article agrees with my point. "ATTN: Why do you think it appeals to people?

JC: There are many answers to this question. I’ve heard some fans say that it’s because they like to see the guy enjoying himself. I’m sure others are attracted to straight men and want to watch them being straight. We also have quite a few female members on our gay porn sites, even lesbians, so who knows why anyone wants to watch a particular genre of porn?" You may want to reread this part and think about your arguement again.
https://www.attn.com/stories/6308/why-gay-men-watch-straight-porn
Guest 5th Jul 2017, 2:41 PM edit delete reply
*Samantha *your, silly auto correct
Fox 5th Jul 2017, 2:41 PM edit delete reply
^me
Guest 3rd Jul 2017, 4:43 PM edit delete reply
> They looked about our age.

Typo, or does she know something? YOU DECIDE!
mecaterpillar 3rd Jul 2017, 5:17 PM edit delete reply
That is certainly unusual pronoun usage. "They" is typically used in three different circumstances: to refer to either a group of people (or unknown number of people, one or greater), one individual whose gender you do not know, or to someone who requested the use of they pronouns. This particular case does not seem to fit into any of these, unless Ana is thinking "Ruby" fits into one of the latter two cases. She may truly be more onto him than she lets on (or maybe realizes).
Guest 3rd Jul 2017, 8:42 PM edit delete reply
Falling a little behind the times Mecater, the use of singular they is incredibly common now. Especially with people their age. I'd say I noticed a shift about a year or so ago? But honestly most people i Know and don't know use they when referring to everyone now, its just easier I suppose?

Also I work in a call center and most people use singular they for other people on the phone now too.
Neelix 3rd Jul 2017, 5:29 PM edit delete reply
At a guess I would say Ana's probably gotten into a habit of thinking in terms of gender neutral pronouns when she has no evidence of the subject's gender identity. I wouldn't take it as indicative of anything in terms of whether or not she clocked Ruby.

She seems to have been distracted by the manga itself though, so identifying Ruby may have temporarily slipped to the back of her mind.

That said, I tend to suspect that there is probably something else in the bag which would specifically identify Rudy. If his wallet is in there it could well contain something with his name on it.
Ruth 3rd Jul 2017, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Rudy would probably have had his wallet in his purse. That's where I keep mine when I'm out and about in girl mode.
PatientlyCurious 3rd Jul 2017, 10:51 PM edit delete reply
That's not a purse, that's a plastic bag from a store. It's not likely there's going to be much in it to name them as Rudy.
Neelix 4th Jul 2017, 2:01 AM edit delete reply
You're right. That was a brain fart on my part. I was thinking of the white purse he was carrying from the beginning of the sequence and I'd momentarily forgotten that Rudy had acquired a second white bag when he bought the manga.
Reimi 3rd Jul 2017, 6:39 PM edit delete reply
Reimi
I've noticed I've defaulted to using gender neutral pronouns when talking about people I don't know too well. I think it's just a bit of a habit that gender nonconforming people pick up.
bgb16999 3rd Jul 2017, 6:52 PM edit delete reply
bgb16999
That was how I interpreted Ana's pronoun usage too.

Anyhow, Ana has already heard Rudy discussing wanting to walk around the mall in a dress, so she may well have figured who what's going on. Even if she hasn't, I suspect that as soon as Ana sees Rudy in school the next school day, she will realize who she saw in the mall (if she hasn't figured it out by then).
Riley_05 3rd Jul 2017, 9:36 PM edit delete reply
I think it's highly likely that Ana just decides to use neutral pronouns considering how she isnt cis herself and just goes to that by default to not misgender someone who she hasnt met or been prompted pronouns of
Sissa 3rd Jul 2017, 10:02 PM edit delete reply
This is completely out of context, but I've been thinking about it lately. Since this comic strives to represent all LGBTQ identities, will we ever see a polyamorous relationship in Rain?
Callisto 3rd Jul 2017, 11:10 PM edit delete reply
Poly isn't, strictly speaking, necessarily part of the QUILTBAG spectrum, all other things being equal (many Poly people are CisHet), but it might still be fun to see. :)
bgb16999 4th Jul 2017, 4:41 AM edit delete reply
bgb16999
If I recall, there was a comment at one point where Jocelyn said that Ky is poly, but that she hadn't really explored it yet. So, maybe. My Google-fu is failing me, though, as I can't seem to find the comment I'm thinking of. I did, however, find some art in which the author's comment implies that Ky is poly. No idea if we'll actually get to see a polyamorous relationship on-panel, though (you generally need at least three poly characters for that to work, and we only have one so far).
Neelix 4th Jul 2017, 8:07 AM edit delete reply
I may have missed that. I remember a comment from Jocelyn saying that at some point in the future there would be a poly relationship depicted, but I don't recall it being about Ky. (or even at all specific in regards to who would be in said relationship.)

That said, I could kind of picture 2 possible poly relationships amongst the current cast. Ky/Drew/Rudy or Jessica/Heather/Aiken. :-) (not that I expect either of these to actually happen, just that I could see those possibly working.)

-Neelix
Jocelyn 5th Jul 2017, 12:24 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
Ky is polyamorous. Don't worry if you missed it; most people did. I only very subtly mentioned in here.
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/550/

That said, there will be at least one polyamorous relationship by the end of the story. Whether or not that involves Ky though, we'll just have to wait and see.
Sissa 5th Jul 2017, 9:57 PM edit delete reply
Ooh, exciting! :D
Guest 4th Jul 2017, 8:45 AM edit delete reply
@Jocelyn

I meant don't be making any more hassles for Rudy than he already has. Hassn't he had enough bullshit to deal with already?
Guest 4th Jul 2017, 8:46 AM edit delete reply
**Hasn't
Aurora 4th Jul 2017, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
This is unrelated to the current page of the comic, but I wanted to say thank you for making Rain. I just ordered all four volumes, and look forward to reading the extra chapters in them :3

On topic for this page: nice touch with Ana using "they" to indicate she's doubting Ruby's gender.
Guest 5th Jul 2017, 4:51 AM edit delete reply
Yes, but inconsistent to how she's expressed her own aversion to possible outing.
Fox 5th Jul 2017, 2:44 PM edit delete reply
People are often inconsistent, if you pay attention you'll notice people frequently contradict themselves.
Guest 5th Jul 2017, 3:33 PM edit delete reply
No!
Some Ed 6th Jul 2017, 2:33 AM edit delete reply
Personally, I would hope Ana would bring it to one of the main cast for assistance in locating the mysterious damsel in the red dress, since her school is not going to be happy with that manga. Not happy at all.

Especially if she doesn't actually figure out who that was, it would be hilarious if the main character she picked to talk to just happened to be Rudy. But somehow Rain or Emily would feel like a more natural choice to me. Probably Emily (known to be open minded, knows more people since she's been around longer, quite possibly more discreet).
Guest 6th Jul 2017, 3:18 PM edit delete reply
Seeing as she hardly knows anybody, nobody would be a natural choice.
Izzy 16th Aug 2017, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
Oh boi. They found his yaoi XD
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