Comic 903 - Obvious

13th Jan 2017, 12:44 AM in Ch. 30: Little Victories
Obvious
Average Rating: 4.63 (8 votes)
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Jocelyn 13th Jan 2017, 12:44 AM edit delete
Jocelyn
Not really super relevant to the subject matter, but can I just say that Vincent's level of chill is something I think I genuinely aspire to? Just smiling and sipping his coffee all while dealing with grumpy ol' Kellen. XD

I don't have much else to add though. This page is mostly transitional (no pun intended), to lead into deeper discussion between these two. Any thoughts on everything so far? Does it seem like Kellen's keeping an open mind? Do you think she's any more receptive to what Vincent's saying over Aiken or Fara or Emily? And while I know she doesn't say a lot on this page, keep in mind that her pauses and expressions say as much as - if not more than - her dialogue.


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Jacy Em 13th Jan 2017, 1:44 AM edit delete reply
On one note, Yay! First comment! But on to the actual distance of said comment: That face Kellen made in the second to last panel. And then the last. One word: DENIED.
vindcara 13th Jan 2017, 2:07 AM edit delete reply
I feel like Vincent's attitude here is really inappropriate for a therapist. Is the sort of therapy Kellen is going through somehow different from normal therapy? Actually, for that matter, isn't it kinda unprofessional for Vincent to be acting as a therapist for BOTH Rain AND Kellen?

This is professional therapy right???
BlackSocks 13th Jan 2017, 2:14 AM edit delete reply
BlackSocks
Vincent is a professional therapist, but I fail to see how it is unprofessional for him to be acting as a therapist for both Kellen and Rain. Am I missing something here?
Samantha 13th Jan 2017, 3:00 PM edit delete reply
I think the issue here is that our therapist is talking about one patient to another.
bgb16999 13th Jan 2017, 3:54 PM edit delete reply
bgb16999
Actually, the thing that really helped my mom come to terms with me was when she talked to my psychiatrist about me. This conversation could be the best thing to help Kellen understand. What Vincent is doing is a good thing.

As to the legal issue: it's entirely plausible that Rain told Vincent that this would be okay some time off-panel.
Sol 14th Jan 2017, 9:05 AM edit delete reply
Pretty sure Vincent recommended Rain to one of his associates because of his past (and current) relationship with Fara, so I don't think it would be too much of a problem for him to work with Kellen at this point.
Guest 13th Jan 2017, 2:29 AM edit delete reply
My therapist was quite goofy and personable. She was hardly "professional" but it was exactly what worked for me, I opened up to her within minutes and she made me feel comfortable. Not everyone responds to the same type of therapy, Vincent is the calm and relaxed type who is very good at defusing tension and aggression, perfect for Kellen imo.
AmbiguousMouse 13th Jan 2017, 5:23 AM edit delete reply
I'm not sure I'd consider this a therapy session in the professional sense. It might (hopefully) help Kellen make some positive mental changes, but Kellen is first and foremost seeking information. This is, shall we say, rather impersonal.
Guest 13th Jan 2017, 8:53 PM edit delete reply
I do believe Vincent mentioned to Farah that he can no longer be her therapist right after he wrote her the letter
Mouse 16th Jan 2017, 9:55 PM edit delete reply
Ya vincent isn't Rain's therapist anymore. also, as a counselor myself (not quite the same i know, but similar) I don't see anything he did out of conduct so long as he had rain's permission to share her session information (going on hormones) with her. The therapy he offered was to help educate her around trans stuff mostly anyway.
Cassie the bisexu-whale 13th Jan 2017, 2:11 AM edit delete reply
Hmm... I hope Kellen doesn't get any ideas. Unless she's going to be nice I hope she just stays away from Rain in general. And even worse: Kellen is still using Ryan/he/him/his! Ughhh I just want everyone to be happy and get along.
Zii 13th Jan 2017, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
Woah, Vincent breaking patient confidentiality is NOT cool. Like, I'm kind of upset about that.
Lex-Kat 13th Jan 2017, 6:08 AM edit delete reply
Lex-Kat
I disagree... that Vincent's breaking confidentiality.

He's telling Kellen no secrets, no private information. The closest I can think is that she now knows that Rain is starting HRT.

I guess I can see where you might be upset by it. But I see it as something she would learn, if she took the time to do some research, was the next step. And that is the obvious direction Rain is going, so it's not a secret to those who know what she is going through.

But that's just my opinion. Personally, I see Kellen's visit as therapy, not a social or educational talk. But then, as far as I remember, they didn't show her filling out any paperwork. So perhaps it isn't therapy.

I don't wish death upon her, but I do hope that she learns that she was wrong and at the very least, apologizes to Rain.
Callisto 14th Jan 2017, 5:54 AM edit delete reply
I am going to second that I don't see a break in confidentiality here. Vincent would only be breaking confidentiality if he were to be conversing in regards to the content of his sessions with Rain.

In the case of the panels, however, he is talking about what is happening in Rain's life, and is presumed common knowledge between the two of them, between their acquaintances. It is in no way a HIPAA violation and in no way a confidentiality breach, since Vincent has nothing to do with the prescribing of that medication.

Now, had Vincent said "You know I referred Rain to an Endocrinologist..."

THAT would be a HIPAA violation.
BlackSocks 13th Jan 2017, 2:12 AM edit delete reply
BlackSocks
I think that Kellen is being more receptive to Vincent, because Vincent is actually treating her as an equal.

Rain pretty much assumed from the start that Kellen would be a huge transphobe and there was nothing that could change that. And then when she was right, she used that to justify her assumption. ("See? I may have never been optimistic about Kellen, but I was right in the end!")
Emily was so focused on defending Rain that she didn't bother to be kind.
And Fara essentially said "you're a complete monster and I hate you. End of story."

So yeah, maybe now that Kellen is actually being spoken to logically, she has a shot at redemption.

My other prediction is that if Kellen is redeemed, Rain will still rebuff her.
Rain: "You threw away our relationship when you cut my hair. Get out of my life, I will never forgive you."
(Except she'll say it in an angsty, sympathetic way.)
Erica-Jane 13th Jan 2017, 5:28 AM edit delete reply
Blacksocks, your comment that Rain pretty much assumed from the start that Kellen would be a huge transphobe and there was nothing that could change that" is completely invalidated by comic 599 aka Hesitation. I suggest you go back and read that again.

Also, the level of betrayal that Kellen pulled during that weekend is really off the charts. You're in your sister's home. You're asleep. And then your sister attacks you by destroying one of your touchstones of identity. I don't know about you, but every time I look in a mirror, I look for anything that says girl instead of boy. To have one of those touchstones destroyed like that. In my sleep. By my sister.

That kind of bullshit is the very definition of "maybe forgive, never forget."
Guest 13th Jan 2017, 3:45 AM edit delete reply
I don't see any unprofessional, conflict of interest or breach of confidentiality from Vincent here. He's not taking Kellen as a patient. He's advocating for Rain with an antagonist family member. Rain is already out to her family. Kellen is being educated as to a few particulars of what that entails. I don't think she's being told anything Rain doesn't want her to know. No breach of confidentiality. No conflict of interest.

Kellen looks angry with how it's going. So far like I predicted. Looks like she's going to get the foundations of her convenient ignorance and bigotry tumbled. No way she can take that well. Bigots like her never do. She'll come up with some lame excuse to justify her blind hatred; never mind reason and the facts all invented for the sole purpose of persecuting her and challenging her egocentrism. So, as she runs from the clinic into the street with profuse tears clouding her vision, does she get struck down by a Hummer, an SUV, a semi or a bus? Hee hee hee. Damn, I hope it's not a frigging moped for only minor scrapes, bruises and a sprained ankle.
mecaterpillar 13th Jan 2017, 6:15 AM edit delete reply
I'm not sure. The first thing I thought when reading the first panel is that this has got to be a HIPAA violation. I suppose, reading it again, that it's possible Rain talked to Vincent about this beforehand and told him it'd be OK to talk about it with Kellen. He did add "yeah?" to the end of the statement suggesting that he knew she knew. It all really would depend on whether Rain agreed to the disclosure.
Callisto 14th Jan 2017, 5:57 AM edit delete reply
See above - He can't violate HIPAA regarding something that he is ignorant of the particulars of, by legal and actual definition.
Asame 13th Jan 2017, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
Wait your doctor is supposed to go over what the hormones do in depth? My dr was like hes a prescription, it'll make u feminine, bye.
Sarah 13th Jan 2017, 12:41 PM edit delete reply
My doctor went over the full list of known effects and risks one by one and had me acknowledge that I understood them. It was standard informed consent.

That's not to say that every doctor does the same.
Ruth 13th Jan 2017, 4:13 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Vincent should've told her straight up that "Phases don't last for 13+ years."
Guest 14th Jan 2017, 10:31 PM edit delete reply
But the most recent ice age was just a phase, and it was waaaay longer than 13 years :P
Say Taylor 13th Jan 2017, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
You can't really make it out from this angle, but Vincent is actually dropping a microphone in the last frame.
miiohau 13th Jan 2017, 9:28 PM edit delete reply
This looks like good time to update Kellen and Vincent entries in the wiki.
http://rain-web-comic.wikia.com/wiki/Kellen
http://rain-web-comic.wikia.com/wiki/Vincent_Valverde
Ergoemos 14th Jan 2017, 2:01 PM edit delete reply
Funny how everyone's focused on Vincent when the question was about Kellen. =P

If you are asking if the art/comic conveys that Kellen's tone/manner conveys that she seeming more receptive, I can't say definitely yes or no... but she's seemed as receptive during her last experience with Rain too at times.

I don't think I'd call it "keeping an open mind" but she does seem to realize that "trans" may be real, even if she doubts Rain. She has shown deception before too, far more than this would take.

Artistically, The closed nature of her stance is pretty declarative "NO" but she is taking time to think about things before shouting or declaring others are wrong. Because so much is being said in the last panel, I can't tell if that squinted glance away from Vincent is the pain of guilt at "barber skills" or the pain of considering what "the path Rain takes" may be. Depends on your level of charity.

Because the story is fictional, and you seem to be trying really hard not to monstrify people, my headcanon is that its a look of guilt, but in my gut, I expect it to be a look of disgust. I admit that my charity only goes so far.

On a personal level, I am too terrified of people and society to ever come out. Family, friends, coworkers, my dysphoria is weaker than my phobia. If I were ever as brave as Rain, and someone did to me something like what Kellen did? I would be so shaken with rage and fear at that person forever, I'd hope my actual family wouldn't waste their time trying to redeem them in some fictional world where I'd ever be able to forgive them, it's not fair to Rain. I am glad Kellen is trying. I hope Rain never has to see or talk to Kellen ever again, she doesn't deserve or owe society or her family that chance at redemption, ever.
Guest 14th Jan 2017, 8:41 PM edit delete reply
@Ergoemos

If you can't live your life as yourself, your life is never truly yours. You've got to be yourself and there's no substitute for that. Not living your life hoe you want out of fear of people who don't even really know you can never be worth all the fear.



Do something to build up your confidence in your ability and power to take charge of your life. Counseling, anything. Start little exercises practicing standing up for yourself and speaking up where usually you let it go. Once a day or so as opportunity may present give it a go how you practiced. Ballroom dancing lessons, belly dancing, rollerskating (consider old school), rock climbing, chess, surfing, yoga, Tai chi chuan, a sport you may like, aikido or other martial art, anything. Something to help you realize or build your inner strengths and sense of accomplishment. You may well find you already have more strength than you think. But you've got to do something to start and find out.
Guest 14th Jan 2017, 9:01 PM edit delete reply
**how

Not hoe
Ergoemos 15th Jan 2017, 2:21 AM edit delete reply
Ah, thanks, Anon. I do appreciate it. Sometimes the context is lost in the aether of the internet, but I really do appreciate the sentiment. I do plenty of things to make myself happy, and, like I said, my dysphoria is pretty well managed, and I express myself freely via my hobby in writing and the like.

I can admire the bravery of others regardless, and can only imagine what many of them go through. I follow several via social media, and all of it looks tough as can be.
Trouble_Thundia 15th Jan 2017, 12:18 AM edit delete reply
"Oh, that's easy to answer. Chanel cloned herself.
Into Emily.
It makes sense.
If you don't think about it.
Stop thinking about it." -Jocelyn 2017
Jocelyn 15th Jan 2017, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Trouble_Thundia

Shh! Shh! Dude, spoilers! XD
Jessica Bright 15th Jan 2017, 7:30 AM edit delete reply
my therapist told me once that crossing arms is a signal of not being receptive to the information but Kellen opens up her arms somewhere during the third panel. HMM.
AmbiguousMouse 15th Jan 2017, 5:39 PM edit delete reply
Actually, I don't think it's possible to tell from the angle whether she kept her arms crossed or not.
Lex-Kat 17th Jan 2017, 6:33 AM edit delete reply
Lex-Kat
Looks to me as if she at least lowered them, if not uncrossed them. I would think you'd still see the tops of her hands, if they were crossed like they were in the first two panels.
Jessica Bright 18th Jan 2017, 6:03 PM edit delete reply
yeah i suppose she might still have them crossed on her lap or something but it's still way more 'open' than before.
Guest 17th Jan 2017, 7:53 PM edit delete reply
They do say, Mrs S, that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are, of course, wrong, as you will soon discover when I stick this toasting fork into your head.
Jocelyn 17th Jan 2017, 11:08 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Guest

That... seems rather uncalled for. O_o
Guest 18th Jan 2017, 12:37 AM edit delete reply
I'm sorry man, I just found this hilarious Blackadder quote and I just had to share it.
Valentyne 18th Jan 2017, 2:33 AM edit delete reply
Just found this comic recently, and as a transwoman living under a transphobic roof and going to a really LGBT school, I can relate to this, even if Rain's situation is the reverse of mine. It's nice to see a good portrayal of the things I go through every day. I'm visible, although unfortunately I can't pass as well as Rain because of lack of voice training (hard to do when I live with asshole parents and can't drive).
Thanks Jocelyn!
oryuchild 9th Oct 2017, 5:29 PM edit delete reply
oryuchild
Ooh! This is the page that I'd seen when I first got interested in this comic! Does this mean I'm almost caught up?! :0
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