Comic 880 - Age Chart

4th Nov 2016, 12:16 AM in Special
Age Chart
Average Rating: 5 (4 votes)
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Jocelyn 4th Nov 2016, 12:16 AM edit delete
Jocelyn
Following the latest page of Rain, I've had a fair few readers express confusion on which characters count as seniors and which ones are underclassmen. I've explained a few times in the past in response to people asking about it, but I admit it's never been very directly brought up in canon (sorry; that's my failing). So, to clarify and hopefully get everyone on the same page, I made a little chart.

(Honestly, I probably should've done this a long time ago.) >_>

Included in this chart are all of the named student characters in the story, alongside their age as of page 840 (taking place on March 11th, 2013). Everyone is also separated into groups based on their grade, which is made identifiable by the color of their uniform collars.

Blue is for seniors.
Green is for juniors.
Orange is for sophomores.
Red is for freshmen.

Obviously, Ky and Allison go to different schools and thus don't wear the collared uniforms like the rest of the main cast. But since they do go to school, I grouped them in where they would fit.

Anyway, I hope this helps simplify things, and doesn't just beg more questions. Though if you DO have further questions, by all means, just ask. ^_^
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lily 4th Nov 2016, 12:53 AM edit delete reply
i don't know anything about the us school system what about a be average age for each of the different colours ??
Jocelyn 4th Nov 2016, 1:05 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
Average ages for the grades? I believe it would usually be like this:
Freshman year - Ages 14-15
Sophomore year - Ages 15-16
Junior year - Ages 16-17
Senior year - Ages 17-18

The one exception above is Ana who's an 18 year old in her junior year. She has mentioned once before that she was held back a year from moving so much though.
Guest 4th Nov 2016, 1:05 AM edit delete reply
Red (grade nine, freshmen) would be around 14-15.
Orange (grade ten, sophomore) would be about 15-16.
Green (grade eleven, junior) would be 16-17.
Blue (grade twelve, senior) would be 17-18.
This isn't exact, of course. I'm in grade eleven (so technically a junior) and I'm still fifteen. Ana, for example, is a junior and is 18 and will be 19 when she's a senior. So it's not exact, but that's the average.
Ruth 4th Nov 2016, 5:17 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
I went to college with a girl who graduated from high school at age 16 (a catholic private school too). Ended up becoming best friends with her older brother for the next 30+ years.


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Ruby Ruth
Say Taylor 4th Nov 2016, 1:32 AM edit delete reply
Huh... I kinda figured Rain was 18.
It'd suck if she had to wait a year to start HRT.
Say Taylor 4th Nov 2016, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
17-18 was the longest year of my life for that reason.
Gabrielle 9th Nov 2016, 5:57 AM edit delete reply
I'm starting HRT in early December and I'm only 15. (British Columbia, Canada)
Kit 4th Nov 2016, 4:03 AM edit delete reply
How do you get SRS at 18 years old?!?!?!?!
Guest 4th Nov 2016, 4:16 AM edit delete reply
Supportive parents who can afford it and let you start transitioning by at least the time you were 16, if not earlier.
Kate 4th Nov 2016, 6:37 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn, I have said this before and i am sure i will again. but you are amazing, and new Rain posts are something i truly look forward to. and i often see a parallels in Rain than i am aware of in my own life.

also, i LOVE Devon's expressions, and this one is no exception. i hope to see more of him 'this year'. I also have an odd like for holly and just how ditzy she can truly be at times. I also like how you put Ky and Aidyn on the same page with completely different looks, but the same look on their faces. LOVE it!

Keep up the stellar work, and i am glad that your recover has progressed well with no complications.

Cheers,
Kate C.
Julia KaNeko 4th Nov 2016, 10:36 AM edit delete reply
Julia KaNeko
I'd like to see more of Madison! :3
EpicSD 4th Nov 2016, 1:43 PM edit delete reply
EpicSD
So i dont know how devant art works so i sent my fanart to the Rain Facebook page. in messenger.
Cas 4th Nov 2016, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
I knew Chanel and Maria had an age gap, I just didn't register it was four years!
...
That just feels a little yikes-y, especially because Chanel's ace.
AmbiguousMouse 5th Nov 2016, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
Maybe we're on different mental tracks, but I find Chanel being ace to make that a lot LESS yikes-y. I mean, if they aren't gonna do anything more than kiss, then that's most of the problems pre-emptively avoided, right?

(I mean, I'm very anti-MarNel, don't *ever* mistake me on that, but I don't see the age gap as an actual part of the issue.)
Cas 5th Nov 2016, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
Four years, that early in adolescence puts them at different enough developmental stages that Maria has enough life experience to take a lot of advantage of Chanel, emotionally. Their not having sex doesn't preclude emotionally abusive situations or dubiously consensual situations, partially because Chanel is ace (which can make things really weird on the inside for that matter).

In addition, because Chanel is ace doesn't necessarily mean they won't be having sex, though I don't recall whether Chanel is sex repulsed, attraction =\= action. Since she's 14, it could also be a very easy storytelling device to have her asexuality be a phase as her sexual development progresses through the teen years, at which point the age difference becomes squickier for the reasons you alluded to.

I trust Jocelyn not to do any of this, on purpose, but it's still a situation that's got me on edge.
Guest 5th Nov 2016, 1:24 AM edit delete reply
Yeah I definitely find the age gap to be a little uncomfortable for me, but I don't really think her being ace has much to do with it. And knowing the story, Maria and Chanel won't have anything other than a really healthy relationship so I'm sure we don't need to worry about any problems. If this was a real life situation, however, I would probably be pretty uncomfortable with it. (Especially since Maria is legally an adult? That does squick me out a bit.)
Cas 5th Nov 2016, 3:38 AM edit delete reply
What I mean by bringing Chanel's sexuality into it is, when your sexuality is a lack there of rather than an attraction point, it can be especially complicated to work out the difference between just not wanting something and wanting to not do something. While this can definitely be a problem for allosexuals, there's a kind of second-guessing that comes with being ace that could easily be taken advantage of if Maria felt so inclined or simply misread a situation. Because Maria, as an 18 year old, will probably not be hyper-aware that her girlfriend is that much younger than her, she'll have a lot of chances to read into the behavior of a younger teen as were she on the same level of maturity.

Again, I don't doubt Jocelyn's ability to keep this from happening, but just because it's fiction doesn't mean it's fine. I'm not policing her content, just voicing something that made me uncomfortable.
AmbiguousMouse 5th Nov 2016, 4:54 AM edit delete reply
I think it's pretty fair to let the characters' actions speak louder than their ages. I'd probably feel different in real life, but only because I'm assuming I wouldn't know Maria or Chanel nearly so well, not because the medium of fiction validates anything.
Pip 4th Nov 2016, 8:50 PM edit delete reply
It just occurred to me, we haven't seen Rain have a birthday yet. Then again it hasn't been a whole year in the story (I keep having to remind myself that it's not real time!)... so when is her birthday? Sorry if it's been mentioned before and I just forgot (although I've read the whole thing about 14 times over so I'd be surprised ;) )
Guest 4th Nov 2016, 9:07 PM edit delete reply
It's August 24th (see comics 309 and 331)
Guest 5th Nov 2016, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
... does it say something that I can pinpoint what half of these characters were saying when they were making those expressions?
Falicity 5th Nov 2016, 1:38 AM edit delete reply
I just realized that Allison is wearing my favorite colors, and I kind of wish I looked like her lol
Guest 5th Nov 2016, 3:10 AM edit delete reply
Am i the only one who thought Rudy and Maria were twins!?
AmbiguousMouse 5th Nov 2016, 4:49 AM edit delete reply
Not sure how you could think that. It was made explicit that they're in different grades pretty early in the story.
Ciary 6th Nov 2016, 12:58 AM edit delete reply
Ciary
probably, but I guess that didn't quite register as I thought the same thing. for that alone I'm happy this now exists because now I will never make that mistake again
Guest 5th Nov 2016, 4:03 AM edit delete reply
When you realize that Maria and Chanel have the same exact facial expression
...
Riley 5th Nov 2016, 4:00 PM edit delete reply
They can take people from other schools! Drew is an senior! Drew could take Chanel and Maria could take Ky if he's in boy mode! If Ky is in boy mode on prom this could work out for everyone!
Damocles_Sword 5th Nov 2016, 5:41 PM edit delete reply
Wow, I did not know that Chanel was so young. O_O That does make things a little creepy.
Jocelyn 5th Nov 2016, 8:03 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
Okay, so a lot of people have been talking about Maria and Chanel's age gap, so I should probably say something.

The age gap is semi-unintentional (Chanel was always this young, but I didn't initially have plans to make her more than a background character, where it wouldn't have mattered). And her age just wasn't something I was thinking about when I started bringing her more to the foreground, and she and Maria were getting closer earlier in the story. I realized it later, but thought little of it because I remember seeing that kind of thing a lot in high school. Honestly, it was so common for me to see growing up, I didn't realize it was that odd for people. My own parents have that same age gap and knew each other since school days, so I suppose I always had a fairly positive impression of it. I know one long-lasting happy couple doesn't account for every instance, and I can absolutely understand the problems people are expressing with this particular age gap, but it honestly never seemed strange to me before.

And I don't mean that in a dirty, creepy, pedophilic way (I hope no one thinks I would actually intentionally promote that kind of thing). Just in an "I really didn't know that was frowned on, because of what I saw growing up" kind of way.

I can't go back and change Chanel's grade or Maria's age because they are established (kind of a while back) in story canon. Chanel's birthday is never mentioned in canon though, so I could push it a few months forward to make it so she's a year older if that helps at all make this any less uncomfortable for readers. I know that doesn't solve everything as there's still a gap, but it does bring them at least a little closer in age. And one way or the other, I will address this gap in the story in a more formal way to touch on the issues involved with it.

I hope this doesn't come off like excuses. I honestly feel horrible that I made so many readers uncomfortable about what I really meant to present as a positive couple. Just try to have faith in me while I attempt to make this right. Sorry and thank you. :)
DramaDork 5th Nov 2016, 9:43 PM edit delete reply
It didn't occur to me either that this would upset people. Hell, my parents have 17 years of a gap and they're still married 30 years later.
AmbiguousMouse 5th Nov 2016, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
I know this probably isn't the part I'm supposed to focus on, but I don't think I've had a better time to offer my big MarNel critique, and you left a great segue into that in your post, so I'd like to take the time to offer some hopefully-constructive criticism to use or ignore as you will.

It has to do with that bit where you never expected Chanel to be more than a background character. It REALLY shows. If Maria weren't Chanel's only reason for being in the spotlight at all, I'd say their relationship is the most catastrophic thing to her character (and Maria's)... And that says even worse things about her overall narrative presence.

I was willing to accept Chanel's presence when she first entered the story, despite not particularly liking her, because I thought you had larger narrative goals for her as a main cast member. But the fact is, she's never really felt like anything but, y'know, a background character with extra screentime. And the main reason for this is that she barely thinks or does anything that isn't about or related to Maria. She's like how the rest of the main cast were with Rain during the first hundred pages, except Maria isn't the title character and Chanel never grew out of it in her substantially longer segment of being present.

I think the only thing Chanel has ever done that wasn't just a way to introduce conflict or growth for Maria (or, well, comedic relief) was the bathroom scene with Rain. And given Chanel's entire existence doesn't seem to serve any purpose except "be Maria's nice girlfriend," she isn't even adding drama or growth for Maria overall, just paying off some of the narrative debt from short-circuiting Maria's "getting over Rain" arc in the first place.

I'm not saying that Chanel or her relationship with Maria are unsalvageable, but how am I supposed to care about Maria and Chanel's relationship when I know (and thus am able to care) less about Chanel as a person than I do about the actual background characters? I could give a more in-depth analysis of Devon than Chanel if you asked me to, and neither the screentime nor the focus really justify that discrepancy. Hell, 90% of Drew is just questions about his sexuality (asked by himself or others), and he still manages to be much more interesting (if not necessarily likable).

I'm not expecting to see any of your future work change based on the criticisms of one fan, but I hope you at least consider what I have to say. Chanel has enough surface hints of potential to be a really cool character, we just need them expanded on more for her own sake, or better yet, with another character aside from Maria, so that she feels like a *person* who Maria is in a relationship with, rather than just *being* the relationship Maria is in.
Guest 6th Nov 2016, 11:27 PM edit delete reply
I've definitely never heard of four-year age gaps in high school (partially because my high school goes 10-12 so that may be a part of it) but in general I haven't seen couples that were more than a grade apart in age. It may be a generational thing; I know both sides of my grandparents have a pretty substantial age gap. (My paternal grandmother got pregnant at 15 when my grandfather was 17, and that freaked me out so much when I first heard it!) It may very well be a generational thing, and in general I'd find the idea of, say, a 68 year old married to a 64 year old less odd than an 18 year old dating a 14 year old, despite the fact they'd have an equal age gap. It might just be the difference in maturity, Maria being technically an adult and Chanel very much a minor.

I completely understand that you would never intentionally make any healthy relationship uncomfortable to the readers, and I appreciate that you've addressed this issue. I do think that making Chanel 15 would help a little with the problem. I still really like their relationship (aside from my minor discomfort with their ages) and again, thank you for addressing this.
Hope 6th Nov 2016, 11:59 PM edit delete reply
I definitely think that making Chanel 15 can belp a bit, but on top of that, I think Chanel should have a bit more depth. As it stands, there's not much to know or say about her. Giving her a storyline that isn't made to further a different character's storyline will make her seem more like a character in the main cast, and more like, well, a *character*, and a *person* that Maria is dating, as opposed to a *minor* Maria is dating. Plus, it's seemed that the majority of the characters in this story have gotten their own personal conflicts and storylines whereas Chanel has just been kind of along for the ride. Delving a bit into her past or focusing on her internal conflicts and insecurities may strengthen her as a character more so that we see her as such, and not as some kid Maria is with.
Of course, I maybe being a bit biased given that Chanel is my favorite (because of how cute she is) and I want to see more of her.
Damocles_Sword 7th Nov 2016, 1:13 AM edit delete reply
It could make for some interesting story lines. What happens when Maria graduates and Chanel is still in school for a long while? It also has some interesting to explore facets. The age difference is massive in terms of physical and emotional development. Perhaps Chanel could still be into U-G-No cards to Maria's embarassment or something.
Dandelions42 8th Nov 2016, 1:50 AM edit delete reply
Just throwing my two cents into the Chanel and Maria discussion:

I hadn't really considered Chanel's level of character development before, but now that y'all have mentioned it, I would love to see her developed more as her own person. I personally love Chanel and think she deserves that :)

And as for the age gap, I've been aware of that from the beginning, and I've never had a problem with it. Of all my friends' relationships, the healthiest and happiest by quite a lot is between a high school junior and a college sophomore, a relationship that began when they were Maria and Chanel's ages. They get a lot of skeptical looks whenever they mention it to their peers, and their parents don't approve as much as they would hope, but they certainly make it work, and really share something special. I think it depends a lot on the people involved -- just like anything, relationships with large age gaps have the potential for lots of problems and lots of wonderful experiences. And knowing Maria and Chanel, I think it's safe to say that theirs will be primarily the latter. ^u^

All this said, Jocelyn and Rain are back, YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY :DDDDDDDDDDDD
Ruth 5th Nov 2016, 11:02 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Nothing wrong with a senior dating a freshman. It was reasonably common when I was in high school in semi-rural , ultra-conservative Texas even way back in the late 1970s. Same-sex relationships however..... not so much, as you might imagine.


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Ruby Ruth
Katie 5th Nov 2016, 11:05 PM edit delete reply
I find it, to use a odd term, icky. It simply feels weird/not right. If a 18 year old guy was dating a 14 year old girl, I would object to it. Same here, expect they are both girls.
Ruth 6th Nov 2016, 3:30 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Social opinions change with the times I guess. Back then dating simply meant dating, and not having sex at a young age. Young ladies were keeping their virginity until marriage because birth control meds were not readily available yet except to married women, and to get pregnant in high school was 1000 times more taboo than it is today. Young women would be getting married the summer right after high school graduation and young men were expected to be self-sufficient and ready to support themselves and start raising families as soon as possible. It was a different era, that's for sure. Young people were much more socially mature at younger ages then. The typical freshman or sophomore was about as mentally & socially mature as a graduating senior is today. As an example of the level of maturity and resonsibility expected of high school kids in 1977, I took drivers ed the spring semester of my freshman year and got my license at age 15, and the summer after my freshman year was driving around in a huge green Pontiac land yacht with a 455 engine and I was so short and skinny I could barely see over the dashboard. Thank goodness it had a tilt steering wheel that would drop down low enough for me to drive the beast of a car :-)

-- Ruby Ruth
Ciary 6th Nov 2016, 12:53 AM edit delete reply
Ciary
for some reason I was under the impression that maria and rudy were twins ... woops ^_^
Jocelyn 6th Nov 2016, 1:15 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Ciary

If it makes you feel any better, making this chart has revealed to me that apparently a LOT of people thought they were twins. While I'm still not sure what gives that impression, I figure there must be something I did to make people think that. So don't sweat it. You're far from the only one. ^_^
Ciary 6th Nov 2016, 11:54 AM edit delete reply
Ciary
it's probably because they do things together and hang out with the same people. in most sibling relations that doesn't happen. but it's far more likely if they're the same age. I guess they are an exception.
also they're about the same height? I guess that also confuses people.
Guest 6th Nov 2016, 11:20 PM edit delete reply
I also think it might have something to do with the fact that they get along so well. I have a brother and we nearly have the same age gap as Maria and Rudy, and we would never have the same group of friends or do things together. Meanwhile, I do know a few pairs of twins who do hang out a lot together and have similar friend groups so I guess that idea just kind of leeched over into this story. My brother and I don't hate each other but given the choice we generally wouldn't be around each other, so I guess that affected it in some way. (Although we don't have homophobic parents and as far as I know he isn't gay (and neither am I) and I'm pretty sure that facing their homophobic parents together is part of what made Maria and Rudy so close.)
Ciary 7th Nov 2016, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
Ciary
you have a point there. facing something together does makes you hang out together more. that is something most siblings don't have
Guest 6th Nov 2016, 3:45 AM edit delete reply
SAME!!!!!!
Zoe 8th Nov 2016, 3:57 AM edit delete reply
Sorry about this random comment, but I recently found this comic and I love it, I also may have sorta stayed up all night reading most of it.

I also had an endocrinologist appointment today, which I thought was sort of funny since Rain's appointment was Monday too, anyway, I was approved to start taking hormones! I got a prescription and I can start when I make my way down to the pharmacy and pick them up! Again, sorry for the random comment out of the blue, thank you for making this comic, I love it.
Ruth 8th Nov 2016, 4:39 AM edit delete reply
Ruth
Congratulations! I am on my 9th week of HRT and it feels great!
DramaDork 8th Nov 2016, 5:54 AM edit delete reply
Aye endo buddy. I just started hormones like 7 hours ago.
Genderfluid Anon 8th Nov 2016, 8:39 AM edit delete reply
Hey, I know you might not see this but I wanted to thank you. I found your comic recently and well i'm genderfluid, although I'm a bit like the reverse of Ky where i'm biologically male but often want to present as female. But sadly I currently can't present very often for various reasons. The partner that i could actually present myself as female in front recently left and that has left me in a severe state of dysophoria recently. and I just wanted to state your comic has helped a lot with that hte past 3 days i've been reading it.
Dandelions42 9th Nov 2016, 1:46 AM edit delete reply
Hey, I know you might not see *this*, but I wanted to welcome you to the magical world of Rain Beauxs, and offer some empathy about your partner and your dysphoria. You're certainly not alone~~ *offers virtual hugs* ^-^
Genderfluid Anon 9th Nov 2016, 7:45 AM edit delete reply
Thank you Dandelions, it was a nice gesture you have given me.
EpicSD 8th Nov 2016, 4:07 PM edit delete reply
EpicSD
i get a pain in my chest every time i look to see is theres an update
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