Comic 854 - Punishment

3rd Jul 2016, 7:00 PM in Ch. 29: Transitions
Punishment
Average Rating: 4.75 (8 votes)
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Jocelyn 3rd Jul 2016, 7:00 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
Maybe you expected a live scolding from Father Quenton on this page. In which case, I'm sorry to disappoint. I'm not ready for that quite yet. Besides, knowing Emily would have to relay what she was told to other people later anyway made me worry things would get redundant real fast. So instead, I decided we'll have Emily explain her punishment at dinner time to the people she currently lives with.

But on a scale of "let off easy" to "worst thing ever", how bad is this? Does it seem to fit Father Quenton's dramatic reputation, or could it be worse?


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Guest 3rd Jul 2016, 7:36 PM edit delete reply
Well I guess I was kinda right about the abortion thing.....yay? Also Quentin what a bitch
Guest 3rd Jul 2016, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
He's a Catholic, what do you expect? Catholics are so misogynistic and transphobic it fucking hurts.
mecaterpillar 3rd Jul 2016, 9:49 PM edit delete reply
I hope you don't mind my asking, but would you mind not generalizing like that?
Jocelyn 3rd Jul 2016, 10:13 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@2nd Guest

Let's please not generalize like that. You are aware that plenty of Catholic people are transgender too, right? And this comic has a lot of Catholic readers even.

I'm not saying Catholics are all saints. I grew up Catholic myself; I know there are bad apples. But none of us (as in anyone anywhere) are saints. There's good and bad in every demographic of people.
Lemonado Girl 4th Jul 2016, 4:14 AM edit delete reply
Lemonado Girl
@2nd Guest: As a Catholic transgirl myself I can say that that's really not true, as I ended up coming out to a priest in a confessional with no real negative reaction and came out with advice for coming out to my friends to boot. Yes, the Church has its issues with LGBT, but Father Quenton is a bad apple, really.
Samantha 4th Jul 2016, 9:31 AM edit delete reply
Honestly, as an Episcopal transgirl, I have a great deal of empathy to the Catholic "every life is sacred" mentality.

I live in hope that one day the SRS/GRS surgery will actually involve (1) a way to get the body to produce its own hormones so I wouldn't need to buy them, and (2) a uterus so I could get pregnant.

So to watch cis women who are pregnant when I couldn't just throw away children, this seems to produce an almost visceral level of disgust. Something I will never be able to do, and the treat it like a curse.

In my experience, two things. The level of embarrassment she feels closely mirrors that of a transgirl for her friends and family finding out. And second, aside from fundie churches (which fed me some bullshit about how I should use the men's bathroom), most churches I was in were open and accepting.
Guest 4th Jul 2016, 11:32 AM edit delete reply
Heh... You think being a religious transgender person sucks? Try being a transgender ATHEIST in a small town in the middle of nowhere where atheists are frowned upon more than lgbt people are...
thatguyinthecorner 4th Jul 2016, 1:36 PM edit delete reply
thatguyinthecorner
@second Guest second post

Their point is less that they have it worse and more that you're being discriminatory.

I've met three Mexicans. One tried to hit on my stepsister, is a generally pathetic despicable person (let's just say there's "not being averse to sex with trans people", then there's having a fetish for it, and THEN you have this guy) who is racist specifically against people of German decent (or just thinks responding to "my family is german" with "so do you still hate jews" is acceptable), and another broke into my house and gave my mom a concussion.

By your logic I am safe saying most Mexicans are awful, which I think we can agree is wrong. Now, this is fallacious as I will freely admit since 2/3 guys<basically everyone I've ever met in person, but let's take a bigger example.


Closed-minded as this might sound, basing your thoughts about a group based solely on your experience is never a good idea with regard to something as large as, say, the most expansive sect of the second most populous religion in the world. If you set down a spaceship in the Sahara, explored on foot and wrote a report about Earth based solely on that search one would think it an entire planet of sand and heat-far from the truth, given how much of it is covered in water. And if I wanted to join the misery poker, you could be in a country like Uganda where not only are lgbt folk treated like garbage (read: a list of their names AND ADDRESSES published in the newspaper with essentially a cry to go beat the crap out of them), but also water is scarce and not even clean some of the time.


Samantha 5th Jul 2016, 5:31 PM edit delete reply
@thatguy In the last TDOR I attended, I noticed a disproportionate amount of Hispanic and black transgender women killed. I think it has something to do with cultural norms.

The way I heard it, black men are okay with white transwomen. But not black transwomen. Sort of a "not my people" thing, where they don't are okay with whites being trans but it's somehow personal when they are of color.

And I think the other one has to do with machismo culture in Hispanic countries.

http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2016/06/14/49669/80-percent-of-lgbt-people-killed-are-minorities/

http://www.alternet.org/gender/why-machismo-can-be-deadly-gay-latinos

@j-eagle It sounds like she's getting detention, and they are taking away valedictorian. The latter is actually a blessing in disguise as the valedictorian is publicly in front of their entire class to speak. Emily is right, this is NOT something a pregnant girl wants if she does not want shame.
j-eagle12212012 3rd Jul 2016, 8:04 PM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
Well on that scale I would say par for the course... she's not expelled or even suspended (3 weeks detention is rough but not uncommon) . Losing valedictorian status is bs but also as emily said she doesn't want to be a news headline either. The last thing I don't get... is she going to be publicly shamed infront of the whole school?
UnlistedKidnapper 3rd Jul 2016, 8:14 PM edit delete reply
UnlistedKidnapper
I went to super catholic, catholic school. My best friend got pregnant, and it makes sense, that she can graduate and all. For my friend the school was super strict and admandent that she wouldn't drop out and made sure she went to a good college so she could still have a future. Still, it was a school with about 4-12 priests running around teaching anything from math to religion to spanish.
thatguyinthecorner 3rd Jul 2016, 8:15 PM edit delete reply
thatguyinthecorner
To be honest, not particularly surprised one way or the other.

The whole premarital sex thing rubs me the wrong way-while I don't see it as wrong morally, the concept of having sex with /anyone\ while you're still in high school seems infuriatingly stupid to me, something I constantly have to remind myself is because I'm ace and a judemental person besides.

But agh valedictorian. That part sucks...not to mention the possibilities on Monday.
purplespacecats 4th Jul 2016, 3:51 AM edit delete reply
subject matter aside, i love the domesticity here. it's like Fara's Home for Wayward Queer Girls
HinataTlaltelpa 4th Jul 2016, 4:38 AM edit delete reply
HinataTlaltelpa
Not as bad as I expected. But I'm glad Emily didn't abort her child
Bizkit 4th Jul 2016, 4:40 AM edit delete reply
I don't care if it is a Catholic school, I believe any amount of detention or removal of status for premarital sex is wrong. No one should punish anyone else for something that doesn't TRULY concern them. Yes, premarital sex IS something frowned upon in Catholicism, but it's also something PERSONAL. Since it's personal, I don't think the school should get involved, since I believe the personal nature of premarital sex trumps the Catholic reference. This is my opinion. I know others will disagree with this, and that's fine. This topic is a grey area and can be debated.
Sarah 4th Jul 2016, 5:16 AM edit delete reply
You all are missing the important bit!! Is this the first time we're seeing Fara's glassware?
AmbiguousMouse 4th Jul 2016, 6:39 AM edit delete reply
I don't think it's fair to call it glassware. It's more like green plastic cups from what we can see. Disappoint.
Reimi 4th Jul 2016, 7:04 AM edit delete reply
Reimi
Poor Emily, those students are going to be cruel, not looking forward to that, but hopefully that can wait for chapter 30...
Ciary 4th Jul 2016, 7:21 AM edit delete reply
Ciary
it's probably a really obvious thing to most of you
but what is a valedictorian status? and why is it a big deal?
Samantha 4th Jul 2016, 9:35 AM edit delete reply
Valedictorian is like the top of the class, if I remember correctly. They make a speech to the class on graduation (usually a cliche about how this class is the future). It's honestly a good thing they got her out of that. The only thing objectionable is the detention.
Samantha 4th Jul 2016, 9:37 AM edit delete reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valedictorian

Here ya go.
Mina 4th Jul 2016, 7:14 PM edit delete reply
Hey, she's lucky to have an awesome girlfriend who will help her to move forward peacefully, right? ^^
Guest 5th Jul 2016, 6:13 PM edit delete reply
Can we not advocate (likely non consensual) sex as a punishment, please.
Babble 5th Jul 2016, 7:22 PM edit delete reply
These comments are out of control. First time that reading them was not so enjoyable due to all the hate flowing around...
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