Comic 719 - Legitimate

23rd Aug 2015, 10:55 PM in Ch. 26: Cut
Legitimate
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Jocelyn 23rd Aug 2015, 10:55 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
So, there you have it. Some of you guessed it. Some of you thought it'd be something completely different. Some of you finished last page's cliffhanger with some hilarious conclusions. But the answer is out there now. Pat on the back and thumbs up if you got it. No worries if you didn't though. ^_^

As a humble personal request, can we skip the part where someone invariably complains about how "unrealistic" the story has become because there are suddenly "too many characters with different orientations/identities/etc." Let me just preempt it with my usual answer: it's really not unrealistic and I'm in fact kinda downplaying it. Sorry if this paragraph comes off as snippy, but it happens EVERY TIME a character comes out and I'm just tired of hearing it. So let's just not go there please, okay? I appreciate it. ^_^

Anyway, getting to the pages themselves, what Heather specifically has is known as Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (or CAIS). I know I don't name it directly on the page, but I just felt like it made more sense for her to describe it in terms of the character.

After she reveals it though, we get some wise words from Jess, who then splits for the time being. Yes, there will be much more on the subject in the future.


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Lemonado Girl 23rd Aug 2015, 11:55 PM edit delete reply
While I did comment one of the humorous theories (under the wrong username, though), I kinda figured it was something like this. Jess handled it so well too and I'm so proud that Heather actually steeled herself enough to say that after Hess got outed in a drunken haze. That's some serious selflessness from her.

But then there's the thing of "Oh God Jessica's going to see that Rain's hair is cut and lord knows how she'll react"
Guest 24th Aug 2015, 12:32 AM edit delete reply
I always suspected that Heather was intersex. Things added up, it just made sense. I'm glad that she shared it with Jessica though. Not only does she have someone she can confide in, but I'm sure that it made Jessica feel good too, knowing that Heather trusts her. Plus it probably makes Jessica feel like she has more in common with her.
T-Dog 24th Aug 2015, 1:35 AM edit delete reply
You know, talking about numbers that seem strange, I am surprised by how many LBGT type people I actually know. It way out numbers the percentages I read in those studies. At lest 2 trans people alone, maybe 3. One I am not sure about, he/she dresses mostly in women's clothing and has a woman's hair style. But then often has 3 day beard. It's confusing and I am embarrassed to ask. Fortunately this persons name could be a boy or girl I just try to avoid terms like Sir or Mam.
shastab24 24th Aug 2015, 1:57 AM edit delete reply
shastab24
So, I see a banner update in the near future, then.

Well, thing might get really crowded if you include everyone LGBT, so maybe not.

Also, not unrealistic. People that complain of that aren't used to comics representing real life, in terms of diversity, and don't realize that sometimes you find that when you are LGBT you might have unconsciously gravitated towards others in the community. Well, at least it happens to me a lot (maybe because I'm obviously trans, so the people that want to get to know me are either LGBT or allies).
Guest 24th Aug 2015, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
I think a lot of the complaints are probably born in part because of the enormous under-representation of LGBTQIA+ folk in the media. So-called "realistic" works (movies, books, tv shows, etc) rarely have more than one member of the community (usually a strictly homosexual cisman) among their regular cast, if that, and so this teaches people that that's what's normal… add to that the fact that "heterosexual/monogamous/cisperson" is what people tend to assume about people, so unless somebody actually Comes Out to them, or brings it up in conversation, they never realise how many people they know who don't actually fit that (incredibly narrow) criteria. And that's not getting into the part where, sadly, in some communities it is still generally safer for queer folk to advoid drawing attention to themselves :-(

I remember having a friend of mine who grew up in a small, conservative, town, before she came to the city for university. She used to complain about how people "keep trying to make sure that every series has a token gay in it, and that's just not realistic". When I (a pansexual ciswoman) commented that it wasn't, because there ought to be far more non-cishet characters, she told me that she'd "never met a single [non-cishet] person until she started spending time with [me]".
At most, only half of my social circle is cishet at any one time, & it's been that way for most of my adult life (that I know of).
She'd met most of my social circle, but it seems she considered me the exception which proves the rule, ignoring that this was then probably true of most other members of the group.
j-eagle12212012 24th Aug 2015, 3:46 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
The fact that I went searching for a specific term and found so many diffrent varriations of Intersex is kind of confusing... I never realized how many people are born intersex and that a large enough part of the population is that there are multiple variations...
Merithras 24th Aug 2015, 5:30 AM edit delete reply
in my head, i finished the last comic with " i'm actually a dominatrix,... i've tried to live with it for years.... it's hard." also, awesome story so far. keep it up, ("insert vaguely cute complimentary nickname i can't think of here")
Mikey 24th Aug 2015, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Sorry if i sound ignorant, but does she have AIS (Androgen Insensitivity Syndr)?
Jocelyn 24th Aug 2015, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Mikey

Yes, she does. And more specifically, she has Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. ^_^
Lilly 24th Aug 2015, 4:10 PM edit delete reply
Yay more AIS recognition, thanks :)
Noelle 25th Aug 2015, 9:55 AM edit delete reply
Hi! Speaking as a med student who's also intersex and therefore gets to learn a lot about this, she wouldn't have had to have a testicle removed if she had CAIS. What she could have is PAIS, or Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. This is where you're either mostly or partly androgen insensitive, but still have enough to cause the formation of certain male characteristics. So, can you correct that to say that she's got PAIS, but that it's near-total? It's just more medically accurate :)
Jocelyn 25th Aug 2015, 12:51 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Noelle

Not that I'm doubting you, but several things I'd read said that it's not uncommon for testicles to be present in someone with CAIS. So I just want to clarify: are you saying that's not the case?
Mikey 24th Aug 2015, 6:15 AM edit delete reply
Oh nvmd. I read the description, it says she does. My bad.
Katherine 24th Aug 2015, 7:53 AM edit delete reply
Being intersex myself, this isn't unrealistic at all, and props for the inclusion! I've had a number of trans friends. ^^

Maybe we all just naturally congregate. :D
Noelle 24th Aug 2015, 11:18 AM edit delete reply
I'm intersex too! I was assigned male at birth, but I've got fully female genetics, testes that don't function, and about half my biological systems are standard female, including my circulatory system, nervous system and immune system. I'm also hormonally neither clearly male nor female.

I identify as fully female, but unfortunately I was raised as a boy. I'm having to correct that now, unfortunately.
Mina 24th Aug 2015, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
I've never heard of CAIS before. Thanks, Jocelyn. ^^
Mikasi 24th Aug 2015, 3:49 PM edit delete reply
I have no issue with how many different people you have going here. It's actually refreshing.

I've only had one issue with it, when someone literally seemed to be shoving every single set of 'what pronouns do you use' possible into a few strips...with not a single guy in sight. Every male-looking character used they/them, and the rest were she/hers and one "Does not care".

Then again, I'm very much a visual person. Introduce yourself to me as a girl, that's how I'll reference you. Request to avoid pronouns as much as possible? I'll talk like I'm you talking in the third person.

But ya know what? Us cis gendered guys get butchered in these stories sometimes, and I just want to take a moment and thank you for having even just a few of us (Hell, even a questioning, a straight (possibly crushing on Rain) one, and one that is for all intents and purposes gay, but all of them seem to be 100% male (and a reminder you can like girly stuff and still be 100% male. Don't let anyone tell you differently.)
Guest 24th Aug 2015, 5:34 PM edit delete reply
The absolute majority of media is dedicated to white cis men. Having a few pieces of media that don't have any or just a few, is not that bad of a thing in my opinion.
Jocelyn 24th Aug 2015, 6:55 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Mikasi

"when someone literally seemed to be shoving every single set of 'what pronouns do you use' possible into a few strips...with not a single guy in sight. Every male-looking character used they/them, and the rest were she/hers and one "Does not care"."

I'm not sure I follow. Unless I'm having a serious brain fart here, I don't think anyone in this story goes by gender neutral pronouns (even Kylie just uses the one that fits her current presentation). But Gavin, Rudy, Aiken, Drew, Brother Arthur, Randy, and whole lot more are all cis male and identify as such. Never anywhere has it been said otherwise. Even with Rudy's miscellaneous adventures as Ruby, he says himself that he still identifies as a guy.

I will very openly admit that the ratio of girls to boys in this comic leans toward there being more girls. That's actually intentional. Partly because, like Guest said, most stories focus more on men. My stories, in response, tend to revolve around female protagonists, (or male protagonists with a lot of prominent female characters around them). It's something I like seeing in other stories, but don't often. So I do what little I can to add to the pool of options. That said, either way there are still kind of a lot of guys in this story.
Amberloo 25th Aug 2015, 6:28 AM edit delete reply
With all due respect, cis guys aren't exactly getting the short end of the stick when they're not "represented" in something. They're in virtually almost everything. Complaining that a webcomic about trans people doesn't focus on cis people that much or paints them in a bad light (news flash: trans people tend to get treated like garbage by cis people) is like living in a town full of McDonald's, Burger Kings, Wendy's, Five Guys, etc, and specifically going to an Asian restaurant and complaining about the lack of a burger option.
Clara 24th Aug 2015, 4:48 PM edit delete reply
I preferred my steven universe fusion theory better
sesquipedalia 24th Aug 2015, 9:44 PM edit delete reply
I do too :/ Lol
Seriously though, intersex representation is so important
Clara 25th Aug 2015, 5:23 PM edit delete reply
agreed
Shoogie 25th Aug 2015, 3:16 AM edit delete reply
Called it.
Guest 25th Aug 2015, 6:33 PM edit delete reply
I wouldn't really say having a diverse cast of characters is a bad thing. The only problem I have is keeping up with every character's arcs and their problems because of how many characters there are. It sometimes gets hard to follow.
Thatguyinthecorner 26th Aug 2015, 12:53 PM edit delete reply
This talk of numbers reminds me of conversations I've had with my future co-author. So far the non cishet cast of our (planned) works consist of:
-a pansexual female
-a biromantic homosexual female
-two lesbians, one of whom is ace
-Three biromantic females, one allo and two bisexual
-two gay males
-one bi male
-one male biromantic ace
-sadly no trans (as of yet) as I don't trust myself to be able to give the topic the respect it deserves, but hopefully that'll change at one point
I'm oft accused of shoehorning, but the cast is kind of absurd in its size, so I disaggree.

In other news, plot twist~

catlife333 31st Aug 2015, 2:41 PM edit delete reply
Um so where is Ky through all of this?
Jocelyn 31st Aug 2015, 3:43 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@catlife333

Sleeping in her room, probably. It is still fairly early on a Sunday morning, and I don't envision either of the Coven kids being morning people. Besides, if Jessica was sleeping in Heather's bed, that means these two are in Heather's room. Ky would have no reason to be in or near there.
Angelica 18th May 2016, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
I'm actually glad to see an intersex character, and I don't feel that it's too "unrealistic." However, I said it before, and I'll say it again: having these many people who just HAPPEN to be friends/neighbors/etc. AND also be LGBTQ AND be open about it AND be able to come to terms with their identity so nonchalantly. While I do wish this were the case, many of us do not arrive at a "definite" or "final" idea of gender or sexual identity for many, many years. Moreover, the sad truth is that not every place in the US is like the Rainiverse. In many cities, homophobia and biphobia is still a reality; in most cities, transphobia is a reality. Yes, there are probably more trans men and women than the average people think there are, but that does not mean that acceptance by their friends is a given or an eventual result. In fact, many people still have to live their whole lives closeted or as the wrong gender, due to fear of violence, losing their jobs, their friends, their families, or even their lives.
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