Comic 634 - Meaning to Ask

30th Jan 2015, 12:40 AM in Ch. 24: Of Cons and Kisses
Meaning to Ask
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Jocelyn 30th Jan 2015, 12:40 AM edit delete
Jocelyn
So, while Kellen and Emily carry on, let's check up on Aiken and Rain. The page itself, I think, is pretty straight-forward. However, the dichotomy between how Aiken acts and how Kellen acts is pretty interesting. This is all no doubt still an adjustment for him as well, but he's adjusting in a very different way.

I'd love to hear thoughts on this.


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burnsbabe 30th Jan 2015, 12:45 AM edit delete reply
This is how I envisioned coming out to my family to be like. Awkward, yes. But all in all a process where things got steadily less weird. That wasn't true for me at all.

I'm glad he's opening up to Rain though.
Sapphire Shield 1st Feb 2015, 8:42 AM edit delete reply
Sapphire Shield
Coming out to friends is one thing but family is different... it wasn't easy for me to tell my mother that I'm a Brony, she of course knows now but I'm finding it very difficult to work up the courage to tell her that I'm pansexual... long story short it's never easy, but sometimes it has to be done.
Syrup 26th Aug 2015, 12:26 AM edit delete reply
just go out and tell them, or don't tell them at all and just imply it some day so they ask instead, that's what i did :D
Noelle 30th Jan 2015, 12:55 AM edit delete reply
Oh cool! Catching self on the accidental misnaming. Always a good sign :D
tmes2000 30th Jan 2015, 2:02 AM edit delete reply
tmes2000
Is it just me or is he seriously thinking about trying to get back together with Jessy?
Nightsky 30th Jan 2015, 2:17 AM edit delete reply
Nightsky
From what we've seen, Aiken is the more open-minded of the two. Kellen seems to be against ANY kind of change, and is very possessive of her siblings: remember, she wasn't too fond of "Ruby" and Jessica based on her phone conversations with Fara. My theory: Kellen was very close to her mom, and maybe a little bit closer to her dad than the others. After her mom died and the dad abandoned them, she probably became more obsessed with the mental image of a "perfect" family and wanted what little remained to still be good. Her twin breaking off to get engaged without even telling anyone, and then her younger brother actually being her <I>sister</I>... well, it challenges that "traditional" family image she has.

Meanwhile, Aiken seems way more casual when it comes to dealing with family. He didn't think much of "Ryan" having long hair (for some that alone would ring alarm bells), and he also didn't tell anyone about his engagement. Honestly, I think the biggest reason he freaked out over Rain was because he'd just found out his fiancee was trans and had never planned to tell him. Technically, Jessica DID deceive him by not telling him about it earlier. So to find out his brother was also actually transgender right after that... Well, his freakout made sense. Although, that whole episode may have also helped him become more open-minded since it seems he still has feelings for her... So hooray!

TL;DR: Kellen has lingering thoughts about what a "perfect family" should be and it's being challenged now, and Aiken has a lot of emotional baggage with Jessica which may have actually made him more open to accepting Rain.
j-eagle12212012 30th Jan 2015, 2:24 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
@Nightsky

Everything you said I agree with (again, lol I just need a picture of ditto pointing up at all your comments ^_^ )
j-eagle12212012 30th Jan 2015, 2:27 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/pokemon-blue-version/d/dd/Ditto.gif
Syrup 30th Jan 2015, 8:10 AM edit delete reply
that or she could be on drugs
Kitsune_Chan 30th Jan 2015, 2:23 AM edit delete reply
Kitsune_Chan
Ignoring the one thing I want to start an argument with Nightsky about...

I really am honestly hoping Aiken and Jessica start dating again. I have been checking for updates every day, ever since I started reading this webcomic I have become hooked.
Cant settle on a username 30th Jan 2015, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
I don't want to start the argument either (though I know exactly what you are referring to) but its nice to see another Jessica X Aiken shipper_
Syrup 30th Jan 2015, 8:11 AM edit delete reply
to many couples (1 is to many) how about we have a breakup that ends like a michael bay move (with a shit ton of explosions and mabey rain will finally get a dress with lots of skulls and fire and shit on it to make it a proper michael bay film)
Dracala 30th Jan 2015, 4:52 PM edit delete reply
We Reeeeaally Reeaaaaally Don't need a Michael Bay style Breakup. I like all the couplings, Romance is a good thing ^^
Torne 30th Jan 2015, 3:59 AM edit delete reply
I see Aiken dealing with Rain's situation a lot easier than Kellen BECAUSE of Jessica. He has seen the end result and is seeing the start with Rain. Due to this world being thrust upon him he did the research and is now coming to an understanding.
Kellen hasn't had 2 people she cared about in her life thrust this upon her and have it flip everything she knew upside down. Aiken has, first his fiance and now Rain.
He's starting to understand that the way he thinks of Jessica and the way he thinks of Rain are connected. He loves them both, both are trans, and he ALMOST lost Rain like he did Jessica.
He sees the parallels...or maybe he doesn't.
Who am I to speak for him? ^_^
steveha 31st Jan 2015, 4:11 AM edit delete reply
Actually, my take on the situation is kind of opposite from yours. Aiken was badly shocked when he found out that Jessica was trans, and he took it *very* badly (and broke the engagement). He was shocked again when he found out about Rain, and took it badly, but this time he made an effort and he's starting to accept her. Now, with his new perspective, he might be able to accept Jessica. (No telling if Jessica would accept him, but I'm starting to hope so.)

His initial reaction to Jessica seems to have been "he betrayed my trust... he wasn't even a woman and we were nearly married before I found out the truth." But he now seems to have accepted that Rain isn't "going through a phase", isn't just playing, doesn't just want attention... that this is who Rain really is, and really was all along. If he can accept Jessica the same way, then instead of feeling betrayed, he may realize that the person he fell in love with is still there. "Jessica never really was a woman" is *very* different from "Jessica is a trans woman" and I think he can see that now. He was willing to marry Jessica with the knowledge that she could never bear children, so in the end it seems possible he might be willing to marry a trans woman.

TL;DR Learning to accept Rain may be preparing Aiken to accept Jessica. The Aiken x Jessica ship may set sail once more.

As for Kellen, I agree with you. She doesn't even seem to be making an effort yet.
Yuki-chan 1st Feb 2015, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
I also see it that way, Steveha. Because his experience with Rain he's seeing Jessica and their relationship with a different perspective.
Yuki-chan 1st Feb 2015, 2:13 AM edit delete reply
I also see it that way, Steveha. Because his experience with Rain he's seeing Jessica and their relationship with a different perspective.
tapi 30th Jan 2015, 4:15 AM edit delete reply
Ugh, I finished the backlog and now I have to wait for updates like a normal person, how do you people survive. ;_;
Cant settle on a username 30th Jan 2015, 5:24 AM edit delete reply
As a reader of many webcomics I suggest finding about 50 more to read then you get like 12 updates every day
Noelle 31st Jan 2015, 3:47 AM edit delete reply
Can you give us your list? My list is:

Gunnerkrigg Court (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com)

Questionable Content (http://www.questionablecontent.net)

Girls With Slingshots (http://www.girlswithslingshots.com)

Blindsprings (http://www.blindsprings.com)

Dresden Codak (http://www.http://dresdencodak.com)

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal (http://http://www.smbc-comics.com)

Schlock Mercenary (http://www.schlockmercenary.com)

Monsterkind (http://www.monsterkind.enenkay.com)

The Lonely Vincent (http://www.http://lonelyvincent.com)

Rain (I'm pretty sure you guys know this one)

Love Not Found (http://http://www.lovenotfound.com/)
steveha 31st Jan 2015, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
I read more than half of your list. Here are some you didn't list; perhaps you will like these as well:

El Goonish Shive -- Interesting stories and strong characters. Quite a lot of magical gender-bending but there's a lot more to it than just that.
http://www.egscomics.com/

The Dragon Doctors -- Fantastic world-building, interesting stories, strong characters, weak art. I care more about story than art, and this totally delivers. Come to think of it, there's quite a lot of magical gender-bending but there's a lot more to it than just that (again).
http://dragondoctors.dhscomix.com/

Between Failures -- A slice-of-life comic not completely dissimilar to Questionable Content. I think the art is really strong but so is everything else. I very strongly encourage you to start at the beginning; it takes a couple hundred comics to set up the situation and characters, and then pays off that setup in very memorable fashion. (No spoilers if you already know the surprise I'm not spoiling.)
http://betweenfailures.com/

Freefall -- An actual "hard" science fiction story set on a planet with about 10,000 people and millions of robots. My favorite character is Florence, a starship engineer who is an uplifted wolf. Her legal status is identical to a robot... but we never doubt that she's a person. Maybe all the robots are people too? Despite all the story, it's consistently funny. At times it even goes in for slapstick comedy, and it works!
http://freefall.purrsia.com/

Shotgun Shuffle -- Mostly this one is about Ellie, a very attractive and buxom young woman whose sisters call "The Lazy One". After high school she was coasting; then very early in the comic her parents acted to give her life some direction (by kicking her out and thus forcing her to get a job). I didn't like the early comics but I started to love Shotgun Shuffle when Ellie went to work at "O'Jack's" (which is clearly an alternate-universe version of McDonald's). Now I'm eager to see what happens to Ellie, her sisters, and her new friend. The art starts out decent but now is stunning... almost Dresden Codak level, yet this comic comes out three times a week! At times, the comic is well-grounded (Ellie's rocky start at O'Jack's) and at other times it's over-the-top (like the Black Friday shopping expedition that ended up with police evacuating the shopping mall and the toy store in flames).
http://shotgunshuffle.com/


One thing all of the above have in common: strong characters that I care about.
Anon 30th Jan 2015, 4:25 AM edit delete reply
It is very unusual, on the one hand Aiken and Jessica are a pair of people whom you've shown to us and have demonstrated a strong reasoning for them not being back together, but I want so deeply for them to get back together. I feel much the same way about Fara and vincent... On the other hand! Chase and Emily. She ended the relationship with him, communicated poorly the nature of her current situation and I think Chase wants to handle it properly, but I really don't feel good about them being parents together. It's so confusing!!!
Anon 30th Jan 2015, 4:28 AM edit delete reply
Also I don't know why, but I've subconsciously spoiler proofed my comment. sorry if it confused anyone.
Cant settle on a username 30th Jan 2015, 5:27 AM edit delete reply
I know what you're talking about with Chase and Emily personally I am glad to see Chase taking some responsibility though I can't fault Emily for her reaction
steveha 31st Jan 2015, 6:15 AM edit delete reply
Chase heard a reliable rumor that his ex-girlfriend is pregnant... now he's trying to call her. That's *all* we know. We don't know if he's "trying to do the right thing". I think it's entirely possible that, if he gets her on the phone, the first thing he says might be "So you're getting an abortion, right? Right?!?"

We don't really know what he's thinking, and he might actually surprise me by trying to do the right thing. But it *would* surprise me.
s 30th Jan 2015, 4:58 AM edit delete reply
I have a question. While reading through the comic I noticed the word "transsexual" being used a lot. I always thought it was "Transgender". "Transsexual" to me seems derogatory because that's what I hear transphobic people calling Transgender people. Am I wrong? I'm just confused.
Jocelyn 30th Jan 2015, 5:24 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@s

I've tried not to use it as much lately, because it's become less ideal of a word to use (incidentally, early pages also had a lot of use of "transgendered" before I learned that wasn't correct either). Anyway, I don't believe "transsexual" is an offensive term though; it's just incorrect. Technically, it was the scientific term, but it's seen as being problematic and misleading because being trans has nothing to do with sexuality.

Personally, I wouldn't be offended to called a transsexual, and I still use it as one of the keywords for the pages, but I try not to use it as much in the story. It might still make it in if I see a use for it, but otherwise it's more like for Rain to just be called "trans".
Empress 30th Jan 2015, 5:59 AM edit delete reply
ha, I feel like it was mostly Fara saying it which kinda struck me as weirdly appropriate? Like, the few trans people I've met who transitioned before the 2000s seemed to identify with "transsexual" much more than transgender. And Fara knew Vincent back in the late 90s on the comic's timeline, so...well, I guess I was overthinking it, but it sort of made sense to me anyway.
Canadian Guy 30th Jan 2015, 8:55 AM edit delete reply
It could be considered on the some lines as queer, some are offended by it while others just use it as the other word for gay.
HarJIT 30th Jan 2015, 10:10 PM edit delete reply
Or those who use it as a colloquial term for LGBT+/MOGAI persons or topics in general.
HarJIT 30th Jan 2015, 10:12 PM edit delete reply
The word "queer", that is to say.
Noelle 31st Jan 2015, 3:51 AM edit delete reply
MOGAI sounds like something you shouldn't feed after midnight or get wet >.>
Jocelyn 31st Jan 2015, 5:14 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Noelle

MOGAI = Marginalized Orientations, Gender identities, and Intersex.

It's an umbrella term for pretty much everything so one doesn't have to say LGBTQQIAAP+. It rolls off the tongue better, but I feel like it just hasn't clicked with me (I still just use "queer" as the overarching umbrella term most of the time).

Mogwai though, that's the one you don't want to feed after midnight or get wet. ;P
Pengwen 31st Jan 2015, 9:27 AM edit delete reply
The way I always learned and used it, Transgender is a blanket term for anyone who doesn't have a gender that matches their birth sex. It includes bigender, agender, genderqueer, etc. Transsexual means someone was born with a sex completely opposite to their gender, and is working to correct this (hence the 'sexual'- it has to do with sexual organs, not sexuality)

tl;dr, Transgender is usually safer, unless you know someone well enough to know they're transsexual or they tell you as such. Neither is in any way derogatory.
Syrup 30th Jan 2015, 8:08 AM edit delete reply
sometimes when people don't understand its harder for them to adapt to something but when they don't want to understand they will never adapt
Syrup 30th Jan 2015, 8:09 AM edit delete reply
walked into my living room said "hey birches im transgender and bi" and like always no one seemed to give 2 shits
tmes2000 31st Jan 2015, 3:09 AM edit delete reply
tmes2000
Isn't that like a good thing? I mean im assuming they accepted that fact fine if they didnt even say a word about it
personmcbutt 31st Jan 2015, 10:33 PM edit delete reply
I've been a reader of this comic for a while and it has inspired me to create a story/comic of my own. Thing is, I'm not sure what to do or where to start. Do you have any advice? What inspired you to make your story and how did you start? Thanks
Guest 1st Feb 2015, 2:19 AM edit delete reply
Well i just had to listen in the other room my parents lecturing my sister there opinion on transgender people. They compared them to pedophiles. I literally feel like i wanna throw up right now. I don't even know how to react to that, should i even?
tmes2000 1st Feb 2015, 2:21 AM edit delete reply
tmes2000
Forgot to sign in, that comment was made by me
Erin 1st Feb 2015, 9:56 AM edit delete reply
At that point the best thing to do is to transition in secret. Wait until you have a stable job and a home then start the transition. And when the changes become noticable, tell them and brace the fire. At that point it will be too late for them to do anything. See how they react. If they are being idiotic and not supportive as usual, burn the bridges. If they try to "help you" or "fix you", consider fixing their opinion, even though you'll most likely end up burning the bridges anyway.
tmes2000 1st Feb 2015, 6:12 PM edit delete reply
tmes2000
I'm actually not transitioning, i literally just dont know how to react to that. I still feel sick everytime i think of that lecture
Zi 13th Sep 2015, 4:59 PM edit delete reply
V_V I'm really sorry your parents seem to be the Strongwells... I'm not sure what you can do, but being an ally and knowing that their blind hatred is wrong is enough to put you ahead of the game. I hope your sister makes it through without getting indoctrinated to their hate... If you feel safe and comfortable,
Zi 13th Sep 2015, 5:01 PM edit delete reply
(Oops, hit post by accident)

If you feel safe and comfortable, maybe you could try to talk to your sister and help her understand that your parents are wrong.
Syrup 26th Aug 2015, 12:25 AM edit delete reply
been so damn long since i've taken a look at this
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