Comic 624 - Forgiveness

11th Jan 2015, 11:51 PM in Ch. 24: Of Cons and Kisses
Forgiveness
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Jocelyn 11th Jan 2015, 11:51 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
So, the first three panels are how Fara and Colin broke up way back in Chapter 12. This was never shown, which led to an awful lot of confusion for a long time (sorry for that). Given it was later explained that this is essentially what happened, I considered leaving out this specific depiction. But I decided it might help explain Fara's hesitation to forgive and forget after all.

The big thing I want to focus on here though: is Colin forgivable? If you were Rain's guardian, would you be having coffee with this guy after what he said? We've since seen him in Rain's presence, but can we assume he's had a change of heart as Aiken has, or was Colin just biting his tongue for the sake of being civil in front of Fara? And following all of that, is there hope for Fara and Colin? Should there be?


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Shelby 12th Jan 2015, 12:42 AM edit delete reply
Guardian or not, I'd never have coffee with someone who talks that way about trans women. "Overreacted" isn't the issue. He didn't "overreact", he was straight up transmisogynistic. So I hope Fara asks him if he's realized how fucked up calling Rain a boy is. If he's had a change of heart and educated himself like Aiken, then that's great, but if he hasn't, he doesn't deserve forgiveness. (Rain is such a kind and gracious person that she forgave him no questions asked, and obviously she has every right to, but that doesn't mean Fara should do the same)
Rain Beau Dash 12th Jan 2015, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
So he's basically pretending to be accepting of Rain so to get Fara in his bed?
tmes2000 12th Jan 2015, 1:16 AM edit delete reply
tmes2000
It doesn't seem like that's his motive but if it is well then theirs a reason why i say i lose faith in humanity every day. I have no clue if this type of behavior from Colin is normal since I literally am Gavin for all practical purposes. White, go's to private catholic school where everyone hates/dislikes gay people except no one can say anything about it since its all boys. Main difference is I don't have a bunch of LGBT friends. I would hope not but my gut tells me otherwise. This is also the reason why i feel a little outlandish with the conversations in the comment section at times cuz i have absolutely no experience with anything involving this actually.
Aravanww 12th Jan 2015, 1:15 AM edit delete reply
Yeah, not happening... I would never be able to forgive that kind of slight. The whole "So he's your nephew and you're trying to make him into your niece?" shows a lack of willingness to even hear what Fara is trying to say. Too much prejudice in that question.
tmes2000 12th Jan 2015, 1:26 AM edit delete reply
tmes2000
This is exactly what Fara should do to Colin *not*:
http://i.imgur.com/vlEk8uO.gif
XD i would actually find it very funny if she did this
K.H. 12th Jan 2015, 3:14 AM edit delete reply
I suppose it depends. If Colin is actually a really great guy otherwise (Fara would know better than me,) and is willing to learn more about LGBTQ+ issues, then I would give him a chance. It's quite possible that much of his comments was based off of shock and ignorance. However, what he said was (extremely) harsh, so, regardless, he owes Rain and Fara a big apology.

Additionally, this outburst could be an indicator of other underlying problems of Colin's. If there's a chance he could lash out again in the future or verbally attack Fara or Rain, then Fara should get the heck outta there.

Fara is a strong woman. If she thinks reconnecting with Colin is worth it, then I trust her judgement.
Torne 12th Jan 2015, 5:54 AM edit delete reply
I would give him a second chance considering he went out of his way to get the Comic-con tickets, even when he didn't have to ever see Rain or Fara ever again. Weekend passes are roughly $50-$100 each (depending on the Con, maybe less) and he bought 4. That's not something someone does for someone else if they don't care.

And besides, he said "It's my way of apologizing for how I've been."

Acceptance of LGBT aside, he is trying. If Fara can't see that it's her fault, not his.
Kitsune Chan 12th Jan 2015, 11:53 AM edit delete reply
You really need to think from her point of view really.

I say he can be forgiven to a point. True forgiveness takes time. I do not think he deserves a second chance in the slightest. More for the fact he tried to buy his forgiveness rather then earn it.

Aiken at least is proving that he is trying to understand, is learning, and earning the forgiveness the proper way. If Jessica decided to give Aiken another chance I would let that ship said happily.

People I ship Fara with. No.1 Heather! No.2 Vincent.

People to roll in a ditch. Colin.

I will admit I hated him before this page, but the line that sealed me ever Ever EVER changing my mind about him or that ship is "Tell him to grow a pair and get used to it."
Kitsune Chan 12th Jan 2015, 11:55 AM edit delete reply
Let that ship sail happily.*
Torne 12th Jan 2015, 5:58 PM edit delete reply
@Kitsune Chan

Sure, trying to buy forgiveness isn't a good thing, BUT what if that was just a door opener? He did admit he overreacted and do you think Fara would have talked to him at all without that door opener? We have also seen more of Aiken and his growth than we have of Colin. He may still be a douche or he may have changed too.
Currently, he's trying harder then Kellen and Kellen has pressure from Aiken, Fara, and Emily to force her to change. Colin has nothing forcing this change of heart.
Colin may be better than people give him credit for. One little overreaction and "People will roll in him a ditch." but you also don't know his circumstances. Maybe his overreaction was justified. Maybe not.

As I said, Colin made a promise to his ex-girlfriend and kept that promise against all reason. He has strength of character and while I'm in the minority I still think he deserves a second chance.
Canadian Guy 12th Jan 2015, 6:12 AM edit delete reply
wow 7 post all ready
don't forget us when you become big....... bigger.
;P
Kitsune Chan 12th Jan 2015, 12:09 PM edit delete reply
Honestly I do not think she should give Colin another chance, he tried to buy his forgiveness rather then earn it and prove he really deserves the forgiveness, I never liked his character from the beginning when you introduced him to me it seemed he tried to buy their affection with those tickets from the beginning.

Though I hope you have it so that Jessica will give Aiken another chance, Aiken is trying to show everyone that he has changed, that he is trying to understand and that he is learning by calling Rain Rain and calling her a her, and even trying to teach Kellen about what transgender is. He has earned my respect and I think if you has him try to show Jessica that he changed I would cheer for that ship.

People I think Fara should be with are:
Heather!!
and Vincent. ....
Kitsune Chan 12th Jan 2015, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
Do not try to grammar when you are sleep deprived you will fail... but I think you understand what I am trying to say.
DocMesa 12th Jan 2015, 12:54 PM edit delete reply
The key thing is that Rain forgave him and Rain is the one he was rude and unpleasant toward. It doesn't mean he's now SuperAlly or anything. All it means is that he has been given a chance, with an equal chance to get it right and to screw up again. He's basically starting from scratch with Fara again.
drs 12th Jan 2015, 4:09 PM edit delete reply
Hmm. Did Fara tell Rain exactly what she was forgiving Colin for?
D Moness 12th Jan 2015, 5:39 PM edit delete reply
Fara didn't tell Rain what Colin said. So it might have been 'easier" for Rain to say that she forgave Colin. Somehow I feel two ways about the ticket. Still giving those tickets after what happened shows that he will not go back on a promise. The fact that Fara and him are talking again makes it also that he bought his way back in Fara's life again. I will just wait until he really shows he is sorry for what he was saying.
As for me personally I would never forgive a person like him.
Pengwen 12th Jan 2015, 4:56 PM edit delete reply
Everyone deserves a second chance. What he said was horrible, but it was based in ignorance. An ignorance that, sadly, permeates our culture these days. Without giving people the opportunity to learn, how can we expect them to accept what they don't know?
Niceguy Eddie 12th Jan 2015, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
1) No owes him forgiveness if he never actually apologizes and MEANS it.

2) If I may address a lot of the negative comments being directed towards Colin... While he obviously said some pretty nasty stuff, at the time this is coming from a position of supreme ignorance. There was a time in my life when I might have said the same thins (albeit a LOT more diplomatically) becuase I ddidn't understand either. Somethings take time to wrap your head around. YES, it's better not to run your mouth too much during times like these, but doing so generally comes from (well meaning) stupidity rather than genuine malice.

Someone above posted, "Does he know how BAD it was [to say these things]?" To which I say, "No. No, he didn't." And? Maybe he still doesn't, we'll see. But let's be less inclined to judge him based on where he was, and look to where the charecter goes from here. Don't forget: AIKEN was the first transphobic family element in the story, and he's basically the hero now. And Kellen SEEMS to be coming around. Colin might also.

...I'd still like to see an ACTUAL apology though! (And an effort, even if just stated, to be open minded and better informed in the future!)

(And bravo to Fara for dumping his ass at the time. Maybe that was the kick in the ass he needed to re-think his world view!)
Angie 12th Jan 2015, 9:12 PM edit delete reply
Well I kinda wish I never read that. Colin offically sucks a million.
tmes2000 12th Jan 2015, 11:38 PM edit delete reply
tmes2000
This honestly seems like the most comments ever to be posted one comic. Jocelyn can we get an official confirmation on this?
Jocelyn 13th Jan 2015, 1:03 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@tmes2000

Without looking, I'm gonna guess off the top of my head that the page where Emily comes out is probably the most commented on. At least, it is on DeviantArt and SmackJeeves anyway (I'm not certain how to get a comment count on every page without going back and manually counting though).

All that said, this page IS probably up there. XD
Sam 13th Jan 2015, 12:33 AM edit delete reply
I don't really think she should forgive him. The thing is, while both Aiken and Kellen has said hurtful, stupid things I can sorta see where they're coming from. While his reaction was bad I can understand that Aiken felt hurt and confused by the fact that Jessica hadn't told him earlier. There was a lot of emotions there and he tried to run rather than confront something he didn't understand. Maybe if things had happened in a different order and Rain had told him first he might have been more accepting and understanding of both her and Jessica. While Kellen costantly misgenders and misnames Rain, she actually hasn't said anything stupid about how she should act like a man or something like that. If anything she mostly acts like Rain is a transvestite rather than transgender, like it's okay for Rain to dress that way but she still not an "real" girl in her eyes. She might not be trying that hard but at least she isn't angry and bileful.

Colin on the other hand was just nasty. He said hurtful, ugly, insulting things both about Rain, a person he hadn't even met, and about Fara. It was a matter that really didn't affect him that much personally and his first reaction was to not even listen to what Fara had to say and instead called her crazy and accused her of essentially being a bad parent. Maybe it was just ignorance, maybe he overreacted but he had nothing to lose by actually listening to her first. Instead he chose to behave like an arsehole and assume he knew what was best.
j-eagle12212012 13th Jan 2015, 1:23 AM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
I agree that what colin said is detestable, yet if he has educated himself and truly understands than he may be forgiven...maybe...
Syrup 13th Jan 2015, 10:46 PM edit delete reply
i think vincent and fara make a better couple
Some Ed 15th Jun 2017, 11:36 PM edit delete reply
I agree. There's a lot of issues to work out there. Maybe Vincent only made one mistake, but it's one of those that can cause a lot of other subissues. But I'd like to think that ship could be patched up and sail again.

Colin, on the other hand... I've heard someone else make disparaging parenting remarks about someone with a transgender kid, but that someone else at least witnessed a moment where the kid was anxious about asking for something in public due to public opinion, and the mother encouraged the kid. But without understanding the context of the situation, that could've easily been a parent pushing their kid into this role.

Now, I haven't heard of the trans equivalent to munchausen by proxy, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist. Just... before one makes claims of that happening, it's a really good idea to make sure there's more basis than one act of encouragement.

Making such an accusation with 0 witnessed acts of encouragement... Just, wow.
Empress 14th Jan 2015, 12:04 AM edit delete reply
Obviously, what Colin said about Rain is outright hateful, but his attacks on Fara's parenting sure didn't help things either. That said, I feel like there's, even more than usual, a lot of speech tone we can't get out of these conversations in the present that would really shape how I think of the situation. Like, it's not hard for me to read Colin's comeback as a flawed but sincere attempt to improve for Fara and Rain, but I can feel with the people who see it as more cynical as well.

That said, Fara obviously doesn't owe him anything regardless of what anyone else does. (Rain didn't either, but she's just so darn nice!) If she gives him another chance, that's completely her prerogative though, and I'm sure that it'll be the right decision even if I disagree with it.

(I'm glad I'm not the only one in favor of Heather, haha. There's issues there too but she's so cooool)
Syrup 15th Jan 2015, 5:38 AM edit delete reply
hes got a put rain needs to stop playing dress up take off the little girl dresses and put some not so little dresses on im talking like fucking dresses designed by michael bay every one has explosions and skulls now that is a real non dress up dress
Tualha 5th Jun 2015, 10:35 PM edit delete reply
Tualha
WHAT. A. DICK.

No wonder Fara's having trouble forgiving him. I bet Rain would, too, if she knew what he said.

If Colin ever comes to understand how horrible he was back then, I would hope he wouldn't ask Fara to get back together. He'd apologize and admit how horrible he was, and then he'd stay the hell out of her life.

I don't think he gets a pass for being ignorant. What he says in this flashback goes way beyond ignorance. He's being rude, he's being judgmental, he's assuming that this is Fara's doing, he's accusing her of lying to him because she didn't out her niece, and he isn't the least bit interested in seeing anyone's point of view but his own. He's Santorum and Falwell and Robertson and Limbaugh and every other self-righteous bigot who knows he has a monopoly on truth. Screw him, and the horse he rode in on.
somebody 14th Jun 2016, 7:58 AM edit delete reply
Wow that sure is one big drop of sweat there
Sky Beams 31st Jul 2016, 11:56 PM edit delete reply
NO DON'T DO IT DON'T FORGIVE HIM FARA YOU CAN DO MUCH BETTER! >:O
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