Comic 1216 - The Hot Topic

1st Jan 2020, 10:00 AM in Ch. 38 - Supportive
The Hot Topic
Average Rating: 5 (3 votes)
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Jocelyn 1st Jan 2020, 10:00 AM edit delete
Jocelyn
Mostly just the twins tossing some words back and forth. Not much to add here, but I'd love to hear what you think about where they stand.

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j-eagle12212012 1st Jan 2020, 10:44 AM edit delete reply
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Kellen is being passive aggressive but she does have a point about uninvited guests dropping in on dinner and talking about strangers
Rea 1st Jan 2020, 11:08 AM edit delete reply
I don't think "intruding" applies when she was invited in.
Ari 1st Jan 2020, 12:04 PM edit delete reply
I mean, she *did* show up with no warning.
Clover 1st Jan 2020, 3:30 PM edit delete reply
Kellen could easily have said "We appreciate you dropping by, but we're planning to have dinner just as a family tonight, could you come back another day?"
Haru 1st Jan 2020, 12:28 PM edit delete reply
It's always an intrusion when someone takes your pizza!
Anastasia 1st Jan 2020, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
Holy shit. He really has grown ♥️
Long-Time Lurker 1st Jan 2020, 12:31 PM edit delete reply
Aaaaand there's her comeuppance. She's not as aggressive about it as before -- clearly there's been *some* kind of shift for her, although what remains to be seen -- but her thoughts are about what I expected of her at this point.

Granted, Aiken invited them to join them so it's not like Kellen had a say in them being dinner guests (though they clearly weren't intending to do that when they came over either). But still. Passive aggressive much, Kellen?
bgb16999 1st Jan 2020, 1:13 PM edit delete reply
bgb16999
I sat through My Fair Lady last night. The cast, set, orchestra and costumes were all excellent. The script itself...not so much.

But it is a stark reminder that people have been talking about gender long before Kellen was born, and not in ways that Kellen would like to hear.
erica jane 1st Jan 2020, 3:47 PM edit delete reply
Kellen still doesn't get it. She deserves to be stomped verbally and emotionally until she does. And she doesn't realize that it's very likely that Rain will never completely trust her again.

That kind of betrayal is something you may forgive, but never ever forget.
Phrll 1st Jan 2020, 4:47 PM edit delete reply
So when someone like Maria's and Rudy's father "stomps them verbally and emotionally" for being homosexual, it's a bad thing, but when we do it to someone like Kellen it's ok?

I've found that bashing someone for their beliefs or opinions usually doesn't change their mind or help them understand, it just reinforces those beliefs.
Emily 2nd Jan 2020, 11:26 AM edit delete reply
Oh but you see, Kellen deseeeeeeeeeeerves it.

. . . she doesn't. Nobody deserves to be abused.
Fox 3rd Jan 2020, 3:21 AM edit delete reply
Thank you! The idea that being awful is okay if someone is in the wrong or is "privileged" (quotes here because it's more often an assumption than a concrete fact) is so messed up in my mind. Hurting people back is vengeance, not justice and hurting people just because they have ignorant or intolerant views won't change anything, it just brings you down to their level.
Lillinette 3rd Jan 2020, 12:46 PM edit delete reply
This is exactly the thing that I, and possibly the majority of the LGBT+ community, wishes modern SJWs could get through their heads. Not only does this kind of behavior almost always has the exact opposite effect, it's caused possibly irreparable harm to the LGBT+ rights movement because the victims of such behavior often believe that these modern SJWs are representative of the LGBT+ community as a whole.
jesslc 2nd Jan 2020, 6:11 AM edit delete reply
Good effort so farn Aiken!

Also now would be a great time to turn to Jess & Heather and say something like "why don't we go over our local cafe and catch up there"
Vulcan 2nd Jan 2020, 11:30 AM edit delete reply
I do sympathize with her a bit. After all, I also hate hearing about all the personal details about people I don't know, and it doesn't matter if they're gay, straight, trans, or whatever. If I don't know the person, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THE DETAILS.

Heck, even if I do, some details should remain personal. All I really need is your preferred pronoun, and we're cool. You do you, and if the details are relevant to OUR relationship, THAT is the time to share them. Until then it's your business, not mine.
Emily 2nd Jan 2020, 11:46 AM edit delete reply
The progress Aiken's made just warms my heart <3

"our little sister"

heck yeah
FourthNate 2nd Jan 2020, 12:24 PM edit delete reply
It's great hearing Aiken say "little sister."
Kellen is actually doing a classic misdirect, changing the focus from the topic of conversation to her feelings about the setting of the conversation. I find it manipulative, even though she might be doing it out of habit rather than intentionally
a day has dawned 2nd Jan 2020, 6:11 PM edit delete reply
Either she's still in bigotsville or she's forced to face the reality of what she did to her sister.
Fox 3rd Jan 2020, 3:28 AM edit delete reply
Kellen definitely needs to continue therapy, not just on the topic of transgender acceptance, but in general. She has a lot of really maladaptive behaviors and she obviously needs help to get better. I don't think Kellen is evil, I think what she did to Rain is evil and I will never condone it or excuse it, but I think Kellen is just an ignorant, damaged person who needs healing and help to be better.

Aiken is doing SO much better and I love seeing his progress. He acknowledges his mistakes and his past ignorance and he's growing. Good for him.

My view is, you can believe whatever you want, you don't ever get to use those beliefs to hurt others, Kellen still needs to learn that.

Heather is also doing so well and I'm so happy to see her growth.
CoolCyberCat 3rd Jan 2020, 12:33 PM edit delete reply
Yea I agree with all of this. Kellen clearly doesn't feel comfortable with change in general. She also doesn't like jess in part due to she seems to feel strongly about protecting her brother. I feel like her assult on rain was a mixture of those two things - a need to keep rain "safe" from things she's scared of, or deemed worthy of fear, ignorance and a compulsive need to keep things static.

Unfortunately for her life will always change and that means her need for things to stay somewhat the status quo is going to cause her problems beyond just transgender issues. I cant see he being ok with Anakin dateing anybody weither their jess or not and would look for any reason to justify her discomfort by finding any reason to dislike them. Being at odds with her brothers GFs will also always put her at odds with her brother because she will come off as unsupportive of both of them. She needs to address her issues in healthier ways.
Fox 3rd Jan 2020, 10:22 PM edit delete reply
Exa5, she's seemingly very afraid of change and she deals with that by being controlling and that's a more far reaching problem than just in this case. Very well said.
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