Comic 1188 - Faulty Logic

19th Jul 2019, 1:39 PM in Ch. 37 - Prom Night
Faulty Logic
Average Rating: 5 (2 votes)
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Jocelyn 19th Jul 2019, 1:39 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
So, I wanted to try and keep my blurbs relatively short and quiet through the next few pages, but I do think there's been some confusion. A common complaint about the last page that I've seen a lot is: "Why would anyone vote for this Ryan Flaherty if they don't know who he is. This doesn't make any sense!"

I think people are forgetting, though, that we've seen the ballot already. And the ballot only lists the nominees' first initials. So, none of the other students could question who "Ryan Flaherty" is, because they literally never see that name. They see the ballot listing R. Flaherty and know that can only mean "Rain Flaherty". Hence why the peanut gallery in the last page all sound so confused by this name.
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/1140/

The average student also doesn't know that Rain registered for prom intentionally using her still legal deadname. If you recall, she was trying to slip Chanel past the rules barrier established by the school (wherein students can't bring a guest of the same gender), to get her into prom as her guest by purposely having the school assume the wrong gender. In her own words, "I'm just using everyone else's stupid assumptions in my favor for once." Rain figured "Ryan" (the name she's enrolled with the school as) would only be seen by school administration (who don't know her and couldn't make any connections to her), and whoever was working check-in at prom (who likely wouldn't care). She figured that those would be easy enough to get around without causing too much trouble for herself. And for what it's worth, she was right insofar as the plan got her and Chanel into prom rather painlessly.
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/953/

Anyway, Rain's plan mixed with the school's records, unfortunately come together with the reception hall having only Rain's deadname. This is confirmed here in panel 3, but it's alluded to right when Rain arrives, and goes through check-in with Chanel. The staff member acknowledges "Ryan" as the name they have, and is notably surprised to see two girls come in together knowing the school's rules against exactly that. The attendant checking them in doesn't have any issue with the situation itself though, and lets them in without any resistance.
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/1128
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/1129
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/1130

I can't say much else for the time being, but I've been alluding to the possibility of this scenario for a very long time. As such, I tried to make sure the setup was handled just right. Still, I am very sorry if there's been any confusion, and I hope that this clears up most of it. Regarding most other possible questions, I truly can't say much else yet. But you've followed this comic for 1,100+ pages and up to nine years; so I hope you'll all have a little faith in me.

Thank you for reading, everyone. Please take care.


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Drumada 19th Jul 2019, 2:10 PM edit delete reply
Never doubted you Jocelyn, cant wait to see how this ends up going! :)
Phrll 19th Jul 2019, 2:21 PM edit delete reply
Interesting twist... I like it and I'm looking forward to seeing how it all works out.

Something similar happened at my senior prom but it turned out the two people counting votes were checking off extra people on some of the ballots to invalidate the votes for a girl they didn't like so she wouldn't be prom queen.

On a different subject, any chance you'll be offering tshirts via Redbubble again? Mine is wearing a bit thin and needs replacing soon...
Jocelyn 19th Jul 2019, 2:45 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Phrll

I've been meaning to reopen a merch store again for a while, but I keep just getting swamped with other things. ^^;

With any luck, I'll try to do it in the near future. Perhaps sometime after this current chapter.
DocMesa 19th Jul 2019, 4:29 PM edit delete reply
DocMesa
If you do decide to restart the merch shop, I'm hoping for Puddle plushies. Puddleshies? Plushles?

Also, I'm trying to find a Puddle picture to use as an avatar but its difficult to sift through 1000+ pages to find one. Any suggestions? :)
Gigglebox 20th Jul 2019, 12:08 AM edit delete reply
Gigglebox
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/683

see how that one does ya, Doc
DocMesa 21st Jul 2019, 12:36 AM edit delete reply
DocMesa
Let's see if my new avatar is working...
AroAce127 19th Jul 2019, 2:24 PM edit delete reply
Wow. My memory betrayed me and I thought there were two separate ballots, but holy crap what a perfect setup
Long-Time Lurker 19th Jul 2019, 2:29 PM edit delete reply
Go Emily!

It's an honest, if unfortunate, mistake. I do think, especially given the homophobia in the prom rules, that the school really should have noticed. But I could also see the prom attendees mistaking the student list as being just a mixed alphabetized list, especially if they didn't know all the characters and/or were reading quickly.

I get the guy not checking anything with Fara or anyone else. He probably doesn't know any students personally (just like Heather the check-in person) so he doesn't know who R. Flaherty refers to -- nor is "Ryan" a name that usually has multiple pronunciations.
spoon 19th Jul 2019, 3:25 PM edit delete reply
you have a point but i'd like to point out that a good portion of that was most likely from Father Quenton, who no longer works for the school
Kyle 19th Jul 2019, 2:37 PM edit delete reply
*GASP* 1. Thank you Fara! You are our saving grace! 2. I CALLED IT! I KNEW THIS WAS A SET UP! I,M POINTING MY FINGER AT EITHER DEBBIE OR TODD. HE'S GOTTA BE LURKING HERE SOMEWHERE!
3. Who's D. Givens?
Jocelyn 19th Jul 2019, 2:44 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Kyle

D. Givens is Devon Givens. He's the one Rain and Emily were talking to just a few pages ago. :)
Kyle 19th Jul 2019, 2:50 PM edit delete reply
AHHH! Thx, Jocelyn! I was just thinking it could be either Devon or Drew, but I don't know what either of their last names were.
Jocelyn 19th Jul 2019, 2:57 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
It's not important right now, but for what it's worth, Drew's last name is Borelli. ^_^

If you ever need to refresh yourself on last names for whatever reason, I'll just point out the Characters page. I mean, yeah, it's painfully out of date (complete with information that doesn't click with current developments and late-appearing characters not even being included in it yet). That said, it does have everyone's first and last name. It'll probably never be super important, but it is there if that helps.
Aria 19th Jul 2019, 3:08 PM edit delete reply
For what it's worth, as unhappy as I was that Rain got deadnamed like that, I knew you weren't needlessly doing it to be mean to her (you'd have to be a rather big hypocrite to do that). It's part of the story, and it was your readers who voted anyway.

For what it's worth, this Translady is sticking around. 🤗
j-eagle12212012 19th Jul 2019, 3:45 PM edit delete reply
j-eagle12212012
So my observation was correct
Interesting to see where it goes from here
Look forward to the next update
Tan 19th Jul 2019, 6:40 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, no, that's some bullshit. Yes, on the ballots it was 'R. Flaherty', but the NOMINATIONS to get her ON the list would all have been "Rain Flaherty for Queen". This is all aside from what Emily points out here, and also aside from it being incredibly weird that the ballot would even be first initial + last name. No one in high school thinks of each other primarily by their last names. Either full name, or first name + last initial would be far, far more sensible.

This is some hardcore plot convenience to get to this setup.
Jocelyn 19th Jul 2019, 7:10 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Tan

The nominations were handled entirely by the school. The venue is the one collecting and counting the votes based on the nominations provided.

The last name thing isn't terribly uncommon to my experience either. People are more likely to share first names than last names, so if they want to abbreviate parts of names in a list, that would work. I've seen schools, employers, and more do this. I wouldn't say it's everywhere, but saying it's weird or doesn't happen is simply untrue.
Tan 19th Jul 2019, 9:38 PM edit delete reply
So either someone at the school looked at a dozen or more nominations for Rain Flaherty for Queen and decided that these were actually nominations for Ryan Flaherty for King (despite 0 nominations that actually say Ryan Flaherty for King), or someone at the venue looked at the list of nominees for Queen, decided this was a mistake, and switched it over. With no eyebrows raised to ask dean of students/acting-principal Brother Arthur or some other teacher who might know the students?

Regarding the names, I am specifically speaking of high school student to high school student (since the ballots are intended to be voted on strictly among the students (and their guests)). Schools may use student last names with first initial for certain teacher-to-student (or teacher/admin-to-teacher/admin) official communications, but student-to-student at this age people know each other by first names. I know you know this, as there are almost 9 years of strips of the characters calling their peers, whether friend, enemy, or otherwise, by first names. Given that these ballots are intended for the students to recognize who they're voting for, it is weird (not impossible, though close to it if this isn't the venue's first time hosting a prom) to not include the primary name the students will know each other by.

Look... I'm not saying this in particular is outside the bounds of plot-convenient coincidence to have happened before, in this story or stories in general. But I am saying that it's absolutely a use of plot-convenient coincidence to make something I HATE happen, when some OTHER plot-convenient coincidence could probably just as easily have gotten you to what you want the result to be without taking this road.
Some Ed 20th Jul 2019, 1:42 AM edit delete reply
I would guess that the nominations didn't specify whether Rain was being nominated for Queen or King. Whomever decided to abbreviate probably did it after the names were counted, but before they were put into the king and queen lists.

As counted names, they were no longer seeing that the other name on all of the Rain ballots was clearly male. Given a list of abbreviated counted names, the person tasked with making the voting cards swore under their breath, but there was nothing they could do, so they just looked at the student roster and hoped for the best. Fortunately, it was pretty clear, except for whether that was Randi Guy, Richard Guy, or Robin Guy.

At that point, they asserted that they *had* to go back to the nominations, because there was a clear problem there. But there were a lot of nominations, and rather than going through them all, they just went through enough to find three different Guy nominations, and saw they were all for Randi Guy, so decided that must be who all of the R. Guys were.
MavistheRainBeau 19th Jul 2019, 6:47 PM edit delete reply
MavistheRainBeau
My fellow Rain Beaus. Rain got dozens of votes. Dozens. That at least 24, but most likely more than that, so it's a lot of votes. Think on the bright side. People like Rain.
AmbiguousMouse 19th Jul 2019, 9:06 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, this is actually plot-relevant. Assuming Jocelyn isn't going full-force with reader-universe disconnect, Rain being able to win despite the disadvantage of competing against both sides means she must be VERY well-liked. Debbie's pre-existing suspicions and dislike are one thing (I wouldn't be surprised if she determined Rain is trans at this point), but I think that level of popularity will help insulate Rain from this going completely lopsided, the way it might if she were already the sort of person people were inclined to bully and assume the worst about.
readingchameleon 19th Jul 2019, 7:02 PM edit delete reply
Oh, my. This has suddenly got very complicated. I hope it works out for everyone!
Anna 19th Jul 2019, 9:30 PM edit delete reply
Rain and Fara need to have a talk to get their stories tied up. Fara’s reaction that calling her Ryan means calling her a boy goes against Rain’s current story that Ryan really is her real (gender neutral) name but she goes by Rain. Well, not so much a story as the actual truth, but you know what I mean.
Some Ed 20th Jul 2019, 1:46 AM edit delete reply
Not really.

The guy didn't say Ryan Flaherty was the Prom Queen. He said Ryan was the Prom Queen.

*That* crap was the whole reason Rain changed her pronunciation and preferred spelling to Rain. It was the same crap all over again, after Rain had changed schools specifically to get away from this crap.
hanna 19th Jul 2019, 10:11 PM edit delete reply
I'm still really confused but okay
Jocelyn 20th Jul 2019, 1:16 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@hanna

Is there a specific point you're confused on? I'd be happy to help as long as it's something I can answer yet.
Ruth 19th Jul 2019, 10:26 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Hmmmm, somebody intentionally tampered with the ballots, eh? Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who had access to them and did the counting, and there shall be found who the malicious culprit it...... any wagers on whodunnit?
Pseudonym 19th Jul 2019, 11:34 PM edit delete reply
Five bucks says efforts to save face with a recount are torpedoed by Rain taking the mic and coming out to the entire school.

Reminds me of something I've been mulling. Please chew me out if this is an inappropriate question, but: if plenty of students pay attention to Rain and find her attractive, and this is Rain's first time out without her falsies. what's going down in cup size going to do to her passing?
lare290 20th Jul 2019, 7:57 PM edit delete reply
Having small breasts in itself doesn't really make anyone unable to pass. Having varying size breasts might raise a few eyebrows though, although it's not unheard of that cis women would pad their bras either.
Rachel Roth 20th Jul 2019, 6:49 AM edit delete reply
Off topic, but are you planning on updating the characters page eventually?
Jocelyn 20th Jul 2019, 11:33 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
Eventually, yeah. It's just been a kinda low priority for me for a long time. Sorry about that. ^^;
lare290 20th Jul 2019, 2:34 PM edit delete reply
I kind of feel bad for the man because Fara didn't know about Rain's plan so she's calling him dumb for no reason, but then again, I'd be mad as well.
Drake Zephyr 20th Jul 2019, 3:12 PM edit delete reply
Drake Zephyr
Also no way that many people here voted for Devon over like Randy or Gavin.
Gigglebox 21st Jul 2019, 4:55 AM edit delete reply
Gigglebox
As far as I can see in this comic, it's only shown one vote for Devon. Emily just everyone voting for Rain also voted for "another boy" and that there were dozens of votes for two kings, not that each of them were both marked for Rain and Devon specifically.

I hope that mad sense... Formulating thoughts isn't easy when it's long past bedtime...
freekate78 20th Jul 2019, 11:36 PM edit delete reply
i was right (in a way) on the last page saying that Fara would come to the rescue. though this isnt exactly going to help Rain in the short or even long run going off all half-cocked without thinking. her classmates are going to start putting 2 and 2 together before too long, and i think Debbie is going to be at the top of that list of curious no-goodery. Fara has jumped to a huge conclusion, in that she assumes that the announcer guy knows that Rain is 'really a male'. this is a bit out of character for Fara, near as i can tell anyways, but her love and support of Rain doesnt give two flat pennies about what others think of her. she only cares about Rain and stopping or easing any pain that Rain may be forced to go through via someone elses ignorance or pettiness. the announcer guy is just reading names at this point.

What i personally think happened here is that the students saw R. Flaherty and thought Rain Flaherty, and voted for HER not him... its what i would have done at that age. not even thinking about the fact that she was on the male side of the ballot and not on the female side. there is a lot of ballot confusion and or obfuscation going on here. nobody in comic land has yet to see that the real mixup that nobody has caught onto just yet is that the (possible) real tie is between Rain and Emily for prom Queen not Ryan and Devon for King. however the prom staff, obviously facility and not school staff, dont know Rain from Ryan in person, they looked at the names on the admittance roster that says Ryan, not Rain, and assumed like MOST people in the world that it was Ryan, especially not knowing she is a she and goes by Rain.
the real blame in the situation with this line of thinking is that Rain is, herself, to blame for being mistaken for a male because she used Ryan on the registration forms so she could bring Chanel for Maria.

on the flip side, Emily is sort of making my point for me in the last panel. and i think she has already figured out what i outlined here.

"... OH, what a tangled web we weave ..."
wavewright62 21st Jul 2019, 11:03 AM edit delete reply
Welp, now perhaps Emily will need to give up the Prom Queen crown to her very popular classmate, but somehow I don't think she'll mind. Rain is already the queen of her prom.
milli 22nd Jul 2019, 1:13 AM edit delete reply
This is kind of off-topic but can someone help me find that comic that was recommended during one of the breaks here? It's about an amab magical girl, and was posted on DeviantArt.
Fourth Nate 22nd Jul 2019, 12:12 PM edit delete reply
Hothead Fara... if she and Emily are back there, who's with Rain? Besides, y'know, the rest of her senior class...
Maybe Devon will surprise us and tell them what she told him about the name 'Ryan'?
Some Ed 24th Jul 2019, 4:12 PM edit delete reply
Having thought about this a bit longer, in addition to the point Emily made here, there's also another glaring item that should've caught people's attention:

If "R. Flaherty" only got votes on cards where someone cast two votes for 'king', still won the king vote, everybody voted for two people, and nobody voted for two queens, the totals for king votes and queen votes was skewed enough that it should have been noticeable.

There's 14 candidates. 6 kings, 8 queens. Best case scenario for the people running this show to not look completely and utterly incompetent, it was a dead heat between those six kings.

In this scenario, with Rain just getting 1 more vote than every other person in the king column, having gotten just a smidge over 1/6th the vote, it's technically possible that Emily could still have gotten more votes, as that leaves nearly 5/6ths of the votes ambiguous.

However, with 5/6ths of the votes going for names in the queen column and 7/6ths of the votes going for names in the king column, there's 40% more votes for kings than queens.

But six-way dead heats are really rare in any sort of election involving six candidates. There were probably a few strong candidates, but almost certainly one or two were pretty weak. It's likely that there were more than twice as many votes for king than there were for queen. That really should've caused the guy to ask some questions.
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