Comic 1022 - In Front

14th Feb 2018, 3:40 PM in Ch. 34 - Promise
In Front
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Jocelyn 14th Feb 2018, 3:40 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
Enough is said on the page, so I'll keep things simple down here. Agree or disagree? Do you think this will sink in with Drew? And do you think there's still a chance it could work between him and Ky?


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Gigglebox1318 14th Feb 2018, 4:09 PM edit delete reply
This. So much this. We need more basic human respect and decency in the world...
DocMesa 14th Feb 2018, 4:32 PM edit delete reply
As the token cis, straight (ish) guy among my LGBT friends, I can confirm this is pretty much how it works. I look out for my friends because they're my friends.
summer 14th Feb 2018, 5:28 PM edit delete reply
there is definitely a chance for Drew and Ky to be an item. all he really has to do is give a very sincere apology. and honestly I feel like he is really taken what Gavin is saying to heart. I know how it feels to be misunderstood by someone but if Ky sees Drew making an effort to understand them then everything should be fine.
Charlotte 14th Feb 2018, 6:49 PM edit delete reply
This all being said, if someone doesn't understand or believe that I'm the gender I say I am, they have no business being my friend, much less dating me. This is okay advice for how to be a decent person, but terrible for actually being close with a trans person
Jocelyn 14th Feb 2018, 7:24 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Charlotte

When did Gavin say he didn't "believe" his friends are what they say they are? The guy's talking about how much respects and listens to his friends. Not believing them would imply the opposite. So I'm kinda confused about what he said that's "terrible". O_o

Do you mind elaborating?
Charlotte 14th Feb 2018, 7:55 PM edit delete reply
I'm sorry, didn't mean to suggest what Gavin said is terrible - its good advice for being a good person and not hurting people.
However, Drew needs to do a lot more than just not hurt Ky if their relationship is to work. If he doesn't actually believe them when they say they are a boy during boy mode, but instead treats it like a weird quirk he has to accept and tolerate about "her", then he's not in love with the real Ky. No amount of respecting pronouns can change that.
Charlotte 14th Feb 2018, 8:00 PM edit delete reply
I guess what I'm trying to say, which might just be a disconnect on what terms mean to us, is that respect isn't a substitute for believing and understanding.
Jessica Bright 14th Feb 2018, 10:16 PM edit delete reply
I don't see him saying he doesn't believe them. He pretty clearly believes them to me.

He IS saying he doesn't understand everything and doesn't have their personal experience, but that doesn't preclude him being able to respect them or listen to them and not do things that piss them off.
Anastasia 14th Feb 2018, 10:17 PM edit delete reply
Yeah, I read it this way too.

On some level, it does require people to change their worldview to accept LGBT people. Most people seem to default to "assigned gender is forever and you can only be attracted to the 'opposite' gender". To actually accept people who don't fit that limited worldview would require a change of world view.
Charlotte 15th Feb 2018, 12:57 AM edit delete reply
I suppose I projected my frustration with cis "allies" onto this page - I've run into too many people who've claimed to respect my identity only to later confide that they'll never see me as anything but my assigned gender. Its made me a bit distrusting of people who bemoan how "confusing" trans issues are.
Drake Zephyr 15th Feb 2018, 4:31 PM edit delete reply
I'm a cis/straight ally, and I accept people as the gender they say the are. Just know, that a lot of cis people could probably never understand what a trans person is really feeling, but we can still try to be there when they need help or a shoulder to cry on. So even though we see trans issues as really confusing, we still try to be good friends and allies. I have a trans friend named Kyle, and though I'll never completely understand his mindset, I can still be a good friend to him. So just understand that it is normal for cis or straigt people to not totally understand trans people, but most of the time we still try our best to make the effort of understanding them, even though we might come off as rude or misunderstanding.
Jessica Bright 15th Feb 2018, 9:35 PM edit delete reply
I feel ya, i've run into it too but don't forget where Gavin started from. He's come a long way imho and I don't think he's quite saying the same thing the people in your example are.

Super sucks you have to deal with those people. For myself, what I find confusing is why it seems so hard for these people sometimes to just show basic decency and respect.
DocMesa 17th Feb 2018, 1:02 AM edit delete reply
I like things to be straightforward and simple and one of the best ways to keep things straightforward and simple with others is to trust them. If someone says they are XYZ, then XYZ is what they are to me. After all, they've lived with their thoughts, feelings, identity, etc, etc for years and if nothing else, I find it extremely rude to assume you know someone else better than they know themselves. I hate it on the occasions when people make assumptions about me, even being cis/straight/male as I am.
Elliot 15th Feb 2018, 11:43 PM edit delete reply
“You lied to me. To everyone here, and in the whole school. I want no part of this.” —Gavin, upon first encountering Rain’s transness.
http://rain.thecomicseries.com/comics/23
He’s come a long freaking way, and I am so proud. Gavin is a great character.
Guest 16th Feb 2018, 3:07 AM edit delete reply
Wow, the art went such a long way too!
That one person 16th Feb 2018, 2:51 PM edit delete reply
When it comes to this kind of stuff I don't get it. Especially when people say to use they them pronouns. To me it doesn't make sense especially since the pronouns used are for more than one person. You personally can't be more than one when you are you.
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