Comic 1015 - No Lie

29th Jan 2018, 5:06 PM in Ch. 34 - Promise
No Lie
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Jocelyn 29th Jan 2018, 5:06 PM edit delete
Jocelyn
To respond to the thing I know people are going to comment on: Maria could've easily surveyed the halls quickly in that fourth panel to make sure no one was looking for her kiss on the fifth panel. Maybe it's not the wisest or most discrete thing for her to be doing at school (especially right now!), but I promise you the next page isn't going to be someone standing behind Maria throwing a fit over it.

By the way, this is the flashback scene in which that promise was made. It was less about being taken away in the moment, but Maria means that there will be no separating them in general if she has anything to say about it.

I think I asked this back then too, but is that really something she can even promise?


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Infected Genes 29th Jan 2018, 5:43 PM edit delete reply
Infected Genes
I really hope that wasn't an ominous statement on her part.

I really don't think I could handle a "kidnapped and taken to a conversion camp" arc so even though I'd totally understand if you did I would probably just skip reading for a bit.
bizarremoon 29th Jan 2018, 6:20 PM edit delete reply
bizarremoon
Now that is true love ^_^
Benwick 29th Jan 2018, 6:24 PM edit delete reply
Wait, wait wait wait, hold up.
Chanel's last name is "Montoya"...
"Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die." ~Inigo Montoya

Assuming you have a clever plan to drop a reference to Princes Bride leads me to this prediction of the future:
"Hello, my Name is Chanel Montoya, you tortured my dearest love, prepare to be syruped and glittered."

Tar and feathers are a bit hard to come by these days, but you can get huge things of syrup and glitter, plus if the syrup uses High fructose corn, its thick and sticky, perfect for holding vast quantities of glitter.
Ruth 29th Jan 2018, 6:32 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
Maria is now 18 yrs old... legally an adult. She could move out, but is financially unable to do that.

Chanel is either 14 or 15 by now. The age difference between her and Maria is problematic. Technically, Chanel's parents could cause big problems for Maria such as a restraining order.... or worse. Let's hope Maria's and Chanel's parents never get together and hang out with each other.
Anastasia 29th Jan 2018, 6:50 PM edit delete reply
Why you gotta go and say such terrible things that make sense...
Fox 29th Jan 2018, 8:17 PM edit delete reply
Chanel is 15, according to birthdays that have happened, and it is not uncommon for 15 and 18 year olds to date who go to the same school. Furthermore, there is nothing illegal about them dating, it would only be illegal if they had sex, which given Chanel is ace and uncomfortable with touching, is highly unlikely any time soon. Finally, we have no indication Chanel's parents are the kind of people who would do that and Maria has been to Chanel's house, so her parents likely know about their relationship.
Jocelyn 29th Jan 2018, 8:20 PM edit delete reply
Jocelyn
@Ruth

The good news is Chanel's parents won't do any of that.

Chanel is a timid person, with a history of no friends, and has suffered sexual assault from classmates due to her body. So for her family, they're just happy that Chanel found someone who makes her happy and respects her (regardless of things like her partner being a few years older or female). They know about Maria and are supportive. Chanel is allowed to be alone in her room with Maria, and it's not even really hidden from Chanel's little sister. It's admittedly pretty subtle stuff, but they're good people.

I admit I haven't talked much about Chanel's family, but what I have said is that they're like the "token good family that's supportive of their queer child". It's something I wanted to include in the story (since most of the other parents notably suck), but being a cool and super supportive family means there's not much drama to come out of that, so there's not much reason to include them often. I'd like to do at least a little more with them at some point. If just because they're nice folks and I like them. ^_^
Fox 29th Jan 2018, 8:36 PM edit delete reply
@Jocelyn Thank you for clarifying this, I'm glad I had read the subtleties right when it comes to Chanel's parents.
Queen Wolfen 30th Jan 2018, 7:47 AM edit delete reply
Queen Wolfen
...What about Maria's parents though? Are they above putting their own daughter in jail, if they think it'll "cure" her?
bgb16999 30th Jan 2018, 10:39 PM edit delete reply
bgb16999
They can't. There is nothing illegal about Maria being in a romantic relationship with a 15-year-old. Real law enforcement people aren't going to arrest Maria for doing something perfectly legal just because her parents don't like it. The only thing Maria's parents can do (legally) is kick her out of their house and stop financially supporting her. Which could well happen, especially if they find out about Chanel.
Queen Wolfen 4th Feb 2018, 6:18 AM edit delete reply
Queen Wolfen
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2330573/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Lesbian-high-school-student-refuses-plea-deal-sexual-relationship-14-year-old-girl-faces-court.html
Ruth 31st Jan 2018, 5:15 PM edit delete reply
Ruth
@Jocelyn

That's good to hear that Chanel's parents are cool with Maria.
I have personally known a situation where a friend's teenage son had been dating a younger girl and her parents were ok with it as long as the kids were both still in school, but after the boy graduated high school and then turned 18 a couple weeks later, the girl's parents cut off the relationship and forbid her to see him again or any other boy that was not still in high school. The girl's father even threatened the boy with violence, and I know for real what kind of jerk the girl's father is too, because he's a local cop, and I've worked as the network administrator for the local PD for over twenty years.
EpicSD 29th Jan 2018, 6:54 PM edit delete reply
EpicSD
i mean she is in her last year of HighSchool so shes either 17 and close to 18 or 18 already. so her dad cant really put her in a camp right?
Fox 29th Jan 2018, 8:45 PM edit delete reply
I can see that Maria means her promise to Chanel, unfortunately it isn't realistically something she can promise because when Maria graduates their lives will both change so much and they will be in very different places. High school romances unfortunately rarely last past High school.
Don 29th Jan 2018, 9:33 PM edit delete reply
It sometimes happens, though - I know a couple who started dating in our senior year of high school, and are still together --and happily married-- 30+ years later. :-)
Naobilynn 30th Jan 2018, 6:03 AM edit delete reply
Me and my husband have been together since we were 17. Our 10 year anniversary is coming up. Statistically they don't have good odds but looking at the way couples in high school have a tendency to treat relationships you can see why the stats of staying together are low. Maria and chanel actually have the right mindsets to a successful relationship.

And about that promise and this goes for all promises about anything, you can't completely control what's gonna happen so it's not possible to keep every promise you've ever made. But the point of a promise is dedicating yourself to keeping that promise, even if you fail you still tried and making a promise towards someone is a way of telling them that you will do everything in your power to do what you say.

I promised my husband that I will always be there for him and he did the same with me, realistically that most likely won't happen and we know that but that doesn't make that promise a lie or any less real or less comforting.

My parents were abusive to me and my husband made so many promises to me during that time and some of those promises fell through but it truly wasn't about what he was promising, but about the fact he cared enough to dedicate himself to me in those tough times instead of just dropping me cause it was hard.

And those are my opinions, for Maria and chanel, things will get tough at times but if they stick together they'll make it. Relationships often fall through the moment the couple stops leaning on each other, kind of like leaning two playing cards on each other, if either card leans away both cards fall.
Fox 30th Jan 2018, 4:46 PM edit delete reply
I get what you're both saying, but you missed my point. I'm not saying that they can't stay together just that it's not a good idea to make promises that you aren't sure you can keep.
@Naobilynn I'm glad that that system works for you guys, most people though put a lot of stock in people keeping their word, so we can't say Chanel wouldn't be upset if that promise were broken, even unintentionally. For a lot of people, keeping your word is a big part of being trustworthy.

Basically, though my point was that she can't realistically promise this because she can't know for sure what will happen.
Guest 30th Jan 2018, 6:35 PM edit delete reply
Why promise anything ever then? Unless you can see the future, your going to have to go on the assumption that you can keep that promise.

Any promise someone makes has a possibility to be broken. If it didn't, it wouldn't be called a promise.
Fox 30th Jan 2018, 10:09 PM edit delete reply
Definition of promise
1 a : a declaration that one will do or refrain from doing something specified
b : a legally binding declaration that gives the person to whom it is made a right to expect or to claim the performance or forbearance of a specified act
A promise is basically a contract between you and another person that within your power you WILL do or not do the thing you have promised. The idea that you have to see the future to make promises is fallacious, there are lots of things you can promise because you don't have to see the future to know you can do them. For example promising to return an item you borrowed or promising to pay back a loan. All these require is effort, courtesy, and the ability to honor your commitments. Now yes, things come up that can stall when you fulfill a promise and mistakes can be made that need to be corrected in order to fulfill a promise, but nothing stops you from making good on your word in general. If no one could make promises without seeing the future, how would people pay bills, make contracts, or be on time to work? All of those things involve a promise and commitment on your part. You only promise what you reasonably believe you can deliver on, you don't promise things you cannot reasonably guarantee. Basically, you can promise to do something like pick someone up, but you shouldn't promise to do something like save someone's life. Promises are all about things that are in your control, if it's not in your control don't promise it.
Guest 31st Jan 2018, 12:56 AM edit delete reply
That's the point though. Maria is promising that, WITHIN HER POWER, she will stay with Chanel.

I said you'd need to see the future based on your assumption that she couldn't promise that because she can't know what will happen.

I think the problem here stems from thinking about whether this promise should be made, or could be made.

Also, it's not like Maria doesn't intend to keep the promise. For her, a reasonable future (minus parental intervention, of course) is to graduate high school, then go to college in town and stay close to Chanel. They obviously love each other, and are committed.

Also, you seem to agree that something could stall or delay your ability to keep your promise. So even if Maria goes away for a time, there is nothing stopping her from coming back.
Fox 31st Jan 2018, 3:37 AM edit delete reply
Jocelyn asked if this was something Maria could promise, I still say no because she cannot reasonably assure that she will be able to stay with Chanel because Maria's parents currently have control over whether she stays at this school or even in their house. She is promising to stay when that is currently not within her control because she doesn't have the financial freedom to assure it. It's not a reasonable promise given the things going on with their parents right now because those things threaten her ability to keep that promise.
Guest 31st Jan 2018, 4:17 AM edit delete reply
Fair enough, but to me it seems like she's making this promise because of those things, not in spite of them. As in, she will do everything she can to those things from happening, so she can stay with Chanel.

Additionally, I think it could also be seen as a mental promise, not just a physical one. In which case, it is a completely keepable promise.
Fox 31st Jan 2018, 4:35 AM edit delete reply
I think we are just operating under different ideas of what a promise means and what it entails and that's fine. We'll just wait and see what happens.
Naobilynn 31st Jan 2018, 6:14 AM edit delete reply
Hmm, I don't want to argue. There is something you said that stood out to me. "Promises are all about things that are in your control, if it's not in your control don't promise it."
The truth of the matter is that there is nothing that is truly in your control. I could borrow money from someone and promise to pay them back but the next day I die. So should I not make a promise simply because of what might happen? We, as humans, cannot 100% guarantee anything. Does that mean we should not ever make a promise?
Even legally binding promises fall through.

For example, a restraining order is a promise to stay away from a person. I had a restraining order on a person at one point and they kept that legally binding contract to the best of their ability. One day, I was at Wal-Mart and I saw them at a cash register, their back was to me and were not aware of my presence but they technically broke the restraining order even though it was unintentional.
That was the only time I saw them during the time period of the restraining order.
They kept that promise to the best of their ability but it was still broken.

Definition of promise
1 a : a declaration that one will do or refrain from doing something specified
b : a legally binding declaration that gives the person to whom it is made a right to expect or to claim the performance or forbearance of a specified act

A restraining order is definition 2.

I suppose I see a promise as a promise to do everything in their power to do what they said they would do.

And Maria said she wouldn't go anywhere without chanel. It doesn't have to mean physically, it could mean emotionally or in spirit.

For example, my aunt promised me she would always be in my corner. She has passed on so she is physically gone from my life but I know she's still in my corner. She never stopped supporting me and I still feel her support even though she is gone. Though she technically broke her promise, it will never feel that way to me and that promise was the only reason I hadn't ended my own life when I was 15. When times are tough hearing someone say that they will always be there for you even if though that isn't something that can be kept gives you the strength to move through the tough times.

Ugh, I don't want to argue or nothing and I'm actually just trying to state my opinions on this matter and my opinion is in no way better then yours just different. I'm afraid this came out as accusatory and it's not meant to be. I just like talking about varying views of people cause I'm super into psychology and sociology but I'm not great at communicating on the internet so I'm super sorry if I sound like a jerk. Erg.
Fox 31st Jan 2018, 3:51 PM edit delete reply
See, I disagree that there's nothing we can control, we can control our choices and under normal circumstances, our behavior. I don't see dying as breaking a promise though, nor do I see accidents as breaking a promise as long as steps are taken to correct the effects of the accident. Dying and accidents are not your fault, usually, so they don't count to me. To me breaking a promise means not fulfilling it due to your own choices or actions that are within your control. To clarify, here's an example if you promise to pay back a loan and are unable because you die, you haven't broken your promise, but if you made the same promise and are unable to pay it back because you decided to go on a fancy vacation, then you broke your promise because it's your fault it was broken. However, if a big bill came up and you were inable to make a payment, you could correct this by seeking forebearance or finding another mewans of paying the loan. Basically, to me breaking a promise means you have to be at fault for it not happening or something has happens that you can correct and you do not make the effort to do so.
As for your restraining order example, legally they would not be held accountable for entering a place they didn't know you were, they would only be held accountable if they went there knowing you were or if they stayed after discovering you were there, at least in my experience. Essentially, you only make promises that are reasonably within your control and a promise is only broken if it's your fault it was broken or you don't take steps within your power to correct a mistake or accident that has lead to it being unfulfilled.
Fox 31st Jan 2018, 4:06 PM edit delete reply
It's okay, you don't come across as arguing or as a jerk. I appreciate how civil you're being, I wish more people would state their opinions without implying people are wrong or stupid if they disagree.
Gigglebox 29th Jan 2018, 11:35 PM edit delete reply
I was first shown this series by a friend a couple months ago, and have been hooked from page one. I just have to say, parents that can consider doings things like this to their children are disgusting. Parents should love their children unconditionally. Sexual and gender identity should never even be an issue when it comes to your children... They're your CHILDREN. The people that should be most accepting and loving doing things like that... It hurts.
Guest 30th Jan 2018, 4:16 PM edit delete reply
Guys calm down. She's 18, LEGAL ADULT, they can't just ship her off, even if she is under their roof.
Guest 30th Jan 2018, 6:45 PM edit delete reply
Rudy isn't 18 yet
Guest 30th Jan 2018, 6:53 PM edit delete reply
> I promised I wasn't going anywhere without you

I really hope this doesn't mean "if my parents send me to the camp, I'll make sure your parents send you to the same camp too MUAHAHAHA"
redlupine 31st Jan 2018, 1:20 AM edit delete reply
redlupine
I first discovered Rain a whole 6 days ago, and have spent the majority of my free time reading it. I have now caught up.

It was a fantastic experience, thank you Jocelyn for creating such a wonderful and inspirational story that is also highly educational. I myself was very confused about how gender fluidity functioned most of all, but your portrayal of Ky/Kylee was enlightening.

I look forward to following along live with your other fans, though lament not having more Rain to read at this moment.
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